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I thought she would be coming back just to finalize things at the house?

Hmmm...after a few months of nonstop togetherness, SIL might like the plan for MIL coming back to Florida.
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my opinion - schedule the visit with your mom when it works for you, DH, and your mom. It isn't like you will be gone for months at a time - so you will still be around to help. If you offer now, i think you will get sucked in to the day to day swamp vs moving. Just my opinion. "Oh, i don't know yet, but we really need you to bring us dog treats, a stairclimber for MIL, some cantaloupe because we forgot it, etc. whatever rabbit hole of the day is...."
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Yes, by all means plan a long weekend, and SIL can plan around it. You all can go by to say goodbye to MIL before you leave if SIL decides to take off while you are out of town. You should not plan your life around MIL - boundaries!!
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Sounds like SIL is shooting for, .. and all is fluid at this point, mid-March. Says they will stay up her way a few months and return here, .. No rush in emptying the house, as there are no plans to vacate it, at this point.

Doesn't sound practical to me, but so be it. I defer, having exited the whole thing, .. to their decisions, and will assist .. where/when I can.

She mentions that her daughter has also offered, should it be necessary to accompany on any flight up that way.

Sounds like plans are in the works, however fluid they may be at this point, without much input and/or info spread DH's way. Again, so be it.
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I wonder what this statement by MIL is going to mean: " "well there's a lot to see to here, .. and it's not going to be done overnight .. and so we will return .. but I won't ever live alone again .." ?

I took the "a lot to see to here" to mean getting ready to unload her house. But maybe not? She admits she won't live alone again, so SIL will have to accompany her on that trip back to FL. And then live with her here. It doesn't sound like there will be any looking at facilities in FL for quite a while.

But of course there is a good chance that she will never manage to make it back to FL.
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Dorker, I think you want to keep things as simple as possible with SIL:

make your own plans as normal
keep her informed of them
ask her to keep you informed on a Need To Know basis.

It's that happy mean between her telling you nothing at all, and her sending you four hourly streams of consciousness that take you all afternoon to wade through.

And on your side, it would be only courteous and helpful to let her know when you're going to be away or otherwise engaged; but you don't need to "clear" it with her - never apologise, never explain. Not 'cause you're not her friend! - just because it takes too long and it isn't necessary.
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CTTN highlights a very important potential stumbling block, actually - I know it scuppered at least one perfectly good plan my sister made for mother two or three years before we finally got her moved.

When MIL looks around at her house and possessions, if she starts thinking about the work involved in sorting it all out she could dramatically go off the whole idea of going anywhere. It looks like a monumental task, and she won't be able to face it.

So SIL's telling her: "go to IL and then we'll pop back to see to the house later" is actually not a bad approach. It's crucial to get MIL's attention off even half an idea that she needs to sort her house out before she can leave it.
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YES Girl YES!!! Its all coming together!!! It sounds like SIL is figuring this Out, so good for her, for finally Stepping Up!!!

By all means, go visit Your Mother, so they will know that Your Mom is Just as Important as their Mom! Continue to be the gracious gal you've Always been, and give them the dates, a week in advance. Right now, you know the probable time frame of their intended launch, and in all probability, you guys will be driving and delivering her pooch, as you well know that there is No Way it will ever make it on that flight, so if you miss out on their leave date, you will see her soon anyways I'm sure!
That way you can pack up and pull a trailer of her prized possessions if nessassary, and can get in a visit, as well as assist on that end.

I'm so Happy that things are looking up, and now you can have a sigh of relief that things are going as planned. I'm sure the news is bittersweet, but by your accountings, it really is the most appropriate course of action, otherwise, if MIL was to be placed into an Assisted Living place near you, you would still be stuck in the step N fetch role, being orchestrated by SIL daily, and you would Hate it!!You will finally be back in the role of loving DIL and Son, and you can plan on giving SIL Respite and Relief, and will once again enjoy your relationship!

I have high hopes that this plan will eventually come off as planned, and that her Daughter will be more comfortable caring for her in her home, or near by. Good for you Sweetie, now let's all pray that MIL stays on track, and doesn't get sick or have another fall!!! Yay, it sounds like your setting up boundaries and being persistent is finally paying off! Whoo-Hoo!!!
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Everyone else on that plane will need emotional support after that dog takes a dump during take-off. 

But that’s a long-ish way off.

Dorker, as others have said, make plans for a weekend with YOUR mother (you & hubby). Soon. For several reasons:

1.) Hey, you have a mother, too
2.) Work those boundaries, girl!
3.) If MIL/SIL respond by “needing” help from you & hubby THAT weekend, the jig is up — they are unrepentant game players.

I hope I’m wrong about #3. But SIL’s rejection of your recent offers of help (clean out, organization, etc) smells like a chess move. And MIL herself announced that “it’s all about me.”

So the one weekend you & hubby are unavailable....boom. Create some drama.

Not that this would have any bearing on your trip. If the Golden Girls realllly need some extra muscle that weekend, hubby can recruit a church mate or two. Surely a fellow deacon or parishioner owes hubby a favor.

Stay strong, Dorker!
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Not to worry, BH - at last, a genuine use for those doggy diapers! Nice to know they weren't a complete waste of time, money and sanity, then...
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I suspect if the Service Animal doesn't get affixed to the whole thing, doggie diapers will be the least of the worries. They won't be going .. not if precious puppy has to ride in the cargo hold.

Unfortunately I am ill informed on that topic, transporting your beloved pet, via the cargo hold on a plane. I know that millions do it, . so why the big dust up over doing so. Wish I understood.

Reports are that MIL is finally on the mend .. or getting there. She has now managed to shower without someone to accompany in case she might fall, and she can manage to get herself dressed .. without help. We're about 5 weeks out from the nasty fall, and she is finally now able to do a little more without help. I'm sure it's been a nightmare for SIL.

Today was the MOHS procedure and SIL reports all is well on that front .. they got all the nasty squamous cell cancerous mass. They'll now move on to recooping from that. She's to stay off her feet for a week (which I'm sure will be a set back to the above).

No further word on any move to IL, but I don't ask either.

I did remark, at SIL having reported her mom now able to do more for herself, and her description that her mom still has so much resolve to soldier through and push thru this and get well. My remark was "That's astounding .. especially considering she was routinely saying that she just wants that big cloud in the sky to come get her, .. glad she's got the resolve to soldier through and fight".
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Nicely put, Dorker!
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My BIL worked loading planes for Delta for over 30 years. He said almost every single flight ( we live in a Delta Hub city) has 2 things in the cargo hold: caskets and animals.

I know he's a dog lover and if he felt that the dogs weren't safe and fairly comfortable, he would have said something. He acted like that was routine, which it is!!

I believe that March 1st is Delta's rollout on the "service animal" restrictions.

The big dust up is MIL's belief that HER dog is super special. I'm sure he/she is a wonderful companion. But it's a dog.

Your saga is racheting down, in many ways. You stepped out, MIL is going downhill, slowly, but surely, and DH and SIL won't deal with the reality. But as long as you don't get drawn back into the fray--good for you.

I will NEVER understand the need some elderly folks have to "soldier through and fight"---at some point, I will give up and go gently into that goodnight. No drama, I hope, and no sucking the life out of my family. that's just me. Maybe that's not normal.
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Many many years ago we crossed the Atlantic with a dog and 2 rabbits. Only problem was they did not get loaded until the next day and dog had to pee so bad and so long he had to change legs
My daughter has had several horses tranported from Europe and there has not been a problem.
I do hear the disturbing information that there is an attendant in the hold with them armed with a gun in case an animal goes berserk.
I doubt that would shoot MIL's dog though as they have to be confined in a cage. The hold is climate controlled where the nimals are if that is any comfort.
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Midkid, I'm with you! I think that you and I and a whole bunch of us our our generation are just not so terrified of death as our parents.

Hey, I was brought up with the whole "hellfire and damnation" thing. I chose (and choose) not to believe that if there is an omniscient and omnipotent God, that s/he would choose to condemn the greater part of humanity to eternal hellfire. It just never made any sense to me. So death is part of life; my kids and grandkids and hopefully great grandkids will remember me fondly. I hope that my work in the field of education has made a difference to some families.

I think we're pretty typical of our generation.
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I think death is not as terrifying these days because there is so much that can be done to relieve terminal symptoms. This is true mostly in the Western world these days, although that has not always been true
Don't know about the hellfire and damnation part but I do see what humans do to each other in this disturbed world.
i do remember the fear of watching bombers flying up the river Thames to bomb London and hiding under my aunt's kitchen table. I don't think I understood what death was at that age but certainly felt the fear. Same thing when we rode the train into London and sped past row upon row of bombed out homes. To this day hearing an air raid siren sends shivers down my spine.
These are the memories and worse that todays' elderly carry with them and subconsciously that adds to the fear of death.
As a hospice nurse I witnessed very peaceful deaths and some that were the opposite.
Now as I creep closer to the end of life I try and think of it as the opposite of birth. I knew nothing about that. Does a baby in the womb fear that passage through the birth canal when they are compressed and unable to breath or being hauled out of Mom's belly during a C section.
Will I be here this time next year? i don't know nor does anyone else so the only thing to do is to live in the moment.
I wish I knew what was on the other side but few get a look and come back to tell the tale.
Respect your elder's fears but don't encourage them.
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Dorker
It is amazing. Your MIL shows herself to be a tough soldier. I hope your daughters and grands inherited those genes.
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I wish I had a clear answer, just for my own understanding .. as to why there is such vehement opposition to flying one's pet in cargo hold. I know that millions do so, and surely these aren't people that don't give a rip about their pets. Seems like there are just as many that would no sooner put their pet in cargo hold for a flight than the man on the moon. Tantamount to locking a child out in the cold, in their mind's eye almost.

MIL falls into that latter category. If they don't get that all coveted label for the pooch .. there will be no flight .. she simply won't hear of it.

What a thought provoking conversation.

I can envision, for myself, going quietly into the night. I don't think I could do the Dr. Kevorkian thing .. but I have never been in a state of horrible suffering from some serious terminal illness. Thus I don't judge those that would opt for that as a merciful way out. I don't think it would be for me, but I haven't been there, to walk that path.

But I don't think I would be going for vein ablations and gluten tolerance tests .. and so forth, .. not if I was someone routinely speaking the words "I want the big cloud in the sky to come get me, I don't wanna be here anymore".
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Not to stir this pot--but if beloved doggie isn't allowed to fly--there is the option of driving her to IL, right? What a horrible thought....23+ hrs in a car with MIL and that dog...but would it be worth it to have her at SIL's for a few months and some peace and quiet for you? Or taking a train? (You can tell I have never traveled by train :)

I just hoe so much that all the hoopla over the past months will result in forward movement to getting MIL into a place where she can be cared for. It's starting to feel like SIL isn't as 'on board' with placing MIL as she was a few weeks ago.
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As sil begins to see improvement in mil, ie can shower alone, dress herself etc. her ability to put on her rosey spectacles will return - and the worst case scenario of mil coming to live with her will recede further and further to the dark, back corners of her mind.

It will be interesting to see how the required rest/recovery from the leg procedure will deteriorate into the recent improvements in ADLs. Mil is gonna be ripe for a fall after a week off her feet.
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My recommendation would be that if the dog can't fly .. and has to be transported via car. Let's get MIL on the plane .. no dog. And me and DH will drive poochy across country. Ridiculous to me, .. absolutely ridiculous. BUT .. I do get the love of a pet. I was once there (but I don't think I'd of been so nuts about my beloved dog that I wouldn't of put him on a flight, in the cargo hold).

If it comes to that .. absolutely .. we would do it. Ridiculous, yes. But we'd do it.

MIL .. IMO .. not a candidate at all, for a 23 hour car trip. Not unless one has a week to devote to such an endeavor. She can't just sit in the car for hours and hours and hours like that. She wouldn't be able to move when she got there. Not only that, you worry about blood clots from so much inertia. But no one has asked MO of that prospect.

Yes, it does sound as if a "facility" is kinda off the table at this point. And that's' okay too. My only goal here is that MIL needs more help. Period. I can't be that help .. not as much as she needs.

I've said all along through it all, SIL would breeze into town for two of three weeks (that's been status quo for a few years) .. and all would go swimmingly well. Of course it would. Someone there to do every living breathing thing for her. Not a setting where she has to make her own lunch .. and clean it up, .. stay hydrated on her own .. let her dog in and out, and run to the dog treats and so forth store on her own. SIL here to do it all for her. SIL here to mind her meds for her, etc.

She needs more care than I can provide. That's been my gripe all along. SIL would breeze into town and stay for two or three weeks and all would rock along peachy keen. Then off she'd go again .. and things derail.

If SIL is apt to take her into her home (since she doesn't want to move here, and I don't blame her). That works just fine, even better .. as MIL will be happier.

MIL doesn't relish the idea of having to go any-damn where at all. She'd rather stay home, and live alone, hands down, by far. But if she had only two druthers in it all:

a) SIL's home

or

b) a facility

And staying in your home .. alone .. is no longer an option.

She would choose option "a". Begrudgingly.
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I'm sure there are people who transport animals for breeders and people who move. I just did a search for animal ground transport and came up with two, and I remember our breeder having one of those companies at the farm when we picked up our boys. Dorker, you won't have to drive!
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Hi Dorker, I have been reading your post for a few weeks, I am glad you are sticking to your guns, MIL definitely needs more care than one person living a life can provide. SIL doesn't get that, she is away from her life while at mom's playing the energized bunny. I do admire her for her devotion to her dear husband, can not be easy. I think when she experiences the day to day of mom right in the middle of her life, she will be sending flowers to you.

I thought about the dog transport situation, about 5 years ago we had a Labrador retriever that needed to find a new home, I went online and found a company that came to my home, picked dog up, stopped for potty breaks and drinks/food every 2 hours, all the way from Az to Tx to deliver him to his new person. They had a converted motor home that was large kennels. Lovely women and I felt completely comforted knowing my beloved dog was going to be transported by dog lovers. There were many reports at the time of lost, injured and killed dogs on the airlines, so I was not going to put him in the position of potentially being harmed as he could be ornery with strangers. Just a thought.

I hope for all involved that your MIL decides that a facility would be the best solution and stops being such a pickle. Hope springs eternal, right!
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Hi Dorker
Wondering how MIL MOHS went?
How is she doing?
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I'm wondering, too. Surely H is in contact with MIL and SIL?

All this fuss over a dog! I surely wouldn't agree to take a 20+ hour car trip with Vegetarian Precious. MIL should pay for an animal transport company to take the dog to IL.

But I'm starting to also really wonder if MIL will really go to IL. As someone wrote, it will be preferable to a facility in her mind, but the either-or choice may never be presented to her. SIL may leave when she figures MIL can "manage" on her own again.

Did you say that SIL and MIL don't have a great relationship? Hasn't MIL complained about SIL to you? Don't you think SIL will be very happy to get away from MIL eventually? She's been there for what, over 7 weeks now? I really doubt that the MIL trip to IL will ever occur.
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Sounds like all went fine with the MOHS procedure and she is on the mend. SIL bouncing around like a ping pong ball servicing all the need.

I haven't heard anymore on plans to head to SIL's home, once the recooping is done from this latest.

Wouldn't surprise me either, if that's now off the table, and MIL is deemed "she's doing okay", and left to "manage" on her own, yet again. Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

To be honest, I'm so far removed from the daily grind of it all, that I defer to them and their decisions on it. I don't think the above would be the right decision, of course. But .. I have taken a clear stance in it all, that it's more than I am willing to manage. If she's deemed "she's doing okay", and left to "manage on her own", then so be it. That's their decision to make certainly. STILL in no way means that I have to step up to the plate. I won't.

Either she is fine, ..and great .. good on her if that's the case, that's what she wants more than anything. Hooray .. if that's the case. Either she's fine .. and indeed will manage on her own, .. or she won't .. (which is what my belief is) .. and then they can do what they need to from that point (nothing more than likely, as has been the case for a few years now as things progress downhill). So be it.

As to the dog, and transport, that too, I'm not loosing any sleep over the whole thing. I have my doubts any need will be present for transport of either MIL or the dog ... they'll be staying put.

SIGH
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Thanks for giving us an update. I’m glad the treatment was a success.
And as you point out whether MIL stays in Florida or travels to IL it’s not your worry.
Have a wonderful weekend Dorker.
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Dorker, again, I am so impressed. You are concerned about MIL, you know better than to bang your head against her particular wall, that's all. You are so right!

On an upbeat note, my friend and former neighbour, iller than MIL but not by a huge amount, now that she is recovered from a serious setback and therefore has more energy to do any practical thinking, is looking more constructively on her daughter's plan to move her into permanent residential care. She doesn't like it, but she is accepting it. You never know, maybe MIL too is tired of all the performance and white-knuckle moments and ready to accept necessary changes, however grudgingly. No one ever said they had to be whoopee-doo-ing about giving up their homes, after all - just facing facts.
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I am happy MIL’s procedure went well this past week.

IMO SIL & MIL are on the same page but now “frozen” as reality hits them. Someone will actually have to visit the AL facilities in IL & fill out all those applications.
Still - none of MIL’s kids have POA. No one knows how to proceed with finances due to no POA & the RM issue. Unless SIL & MIL have been working a plan and not including DH.
I think she (MIL) will move to SIL’s first and determine if she likes it there. But for some reason, I don’t think this will happen in March.
SIL is depending on her mother to improve so MIL can stay put in her home a while longer. That’s my 2 pennies.
SIL wants her mother to stabilize for awhile to give SIL time to divise a plan in IL. Of course this could have been completed in the last 6 months or so if SIL has devoted time to visit the facilities but she chose not to make that a priority.
Wondering if DH & SIL have used any of this time to devise a plan for their mother’s future care. I almost think they would keep any plan away from Dorker to punish her for backing out and also, their pride is hurt (SIL & DH’s). 
Hang in there Dorker. You are in it for the long haul and in the final stretch. 
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That's an interesting question, Shane...HAVE H and SIL had any discussion or made any plans during these 7+ weeks that SIL has been with MIL? Probably not. All seem quite happy to tiptoe around the subject.

I wonder if either sib understands anything about MIL's finances? Neither has POA, but are they knowledgeable in the least about MIL's finances?

I know none of this is going to fall to you, Dorker, and that is how it should be. You have done a marvelous job of stepping out of the fray.

Looking at facilities, figuring out MIL's finances and how to get her Medicaid-qualified for a facility, cleaning out her house, selling it...it all sounds rather daunting. SIL most certainly has done nothing about any of it.

And it's much easier for H to do his usual working/churching/hunting than to force his mother and sister to work with him on a plan. Inertia reigns supreme!
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