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"...brother starts calling Paul..."

Ahhh, yesss, but that's covered by being blocked on the phone and facebook... BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!
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Disgustedtoo,

Isn’t blocking a great feature? Now get rid of the robo calls, right?
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Paul, just curious, how do you think he could forget admitting to you he went walking to the betting shop the day before and expect you to believe he could hardly walk the day after?

It seems to me his memory isn't good anymore. Either that or some of his brain's functions aren't working together. He reminds me of a kid trying to lie but not quite understand how the pieces fit together. He also seeks attention and is self-centered just like a kid. Am I right?
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Polarbear, my father would try one version after another to see if one would work, even though they were inconsistent with each other. If you questioned it, he had a special wide-eyed look but not an explanation. And a little smile, and a change of the direction of the discussion. It wasn’t about his memory, it was just the game. His brain was fine, twisted as ever, though at our last meeting it seemed to me that he was verging into living in his own lying world. Perhaps Paul’s Dad is the same. If you live in lies, you may not be able to get out.
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About gambling, my aunt used to live in Las Vegas for 30 years and she worked for Mandalay Bay hotel for many of those years. When we visited her, she used to get us free rooms. She also knew the best places that the locals go to eat and which off-the-strip casinos pay out more. It was wonderful visiting her. The big fancy casinos on the trip are so beautiful to look at and tour. I remember arriving to Vegas for the first time at night many years ago before I reached legal age to gamble. I was in awe of the city. I had never seen so many colorful super bright lights flashing, spinning, shining everywhere on every building. We went inside a casino where the slot machines were. A security guard came and asked me how old I was and promptly escorted me out of the slot machine floor. Haha...
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Wow! Margaret. I wouldn't know how to deal with someone like your dad. Reality and alternate reality are no different for him.
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Polar/MArgaret,

Dads memory is fine. Dunno how to explain it. Its strange talking to him - hes impossible to argue with. Totally.

If you say something to him he'll just look blankly. I guess hes got away with it for years. He manages to say or do something then sweep it under the carpet.

Can guarantee if I sat him down and listed what he'd done to me last 3-4 years he'd look at me amazed as if he was totally innocent. Its all in the past, swept under the carpet.

He lies more now to get his way. If he gets caught out he'll very quickly backtrack so it doesnt become an issue. E.g I urgently need groceries, sorry Dad I'm busy but I'll get it delivereed, Oh actually thinking about it I'll manage ok dont worry about it.
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But yes brother is blocked. So no problems there!

Yes he probably will phone for now. Hes got no hassle though. No kids to look after, lives a mile away - he just sends his wife (who doesnt work) up to see Dad so hes got no worries.
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Paul, his reactions do sound like my late unlamented father. Slightly different circumstances, but the same sort of look – blank, amazed, wide-eyed, whatever – then a change of subject direction. And mine was a taker as well.
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Need: As I said, New Hampshire's money makers are logging and ski resorts. My poor cousins are still logging well into their 40s, approaching 50. I stayed away from Beantown. Glad that you loved Boston commonly known as Beantown, Need! Good for you flying first class. True story - for our silver wedding anniversary, we flew first class for the first and only time. We saw this room and said to ourselves "what is that?" It was the first class lounge heading from Baltimore to Bermuda. We rushed in there (I don't consume alcohol) but DH downed a few drinks at rapid speed! We were SO naive! To this day, "The Reefs" in Bermuda is our favorite destination! I was horrible at packing, but hey you gotta give me a pass because usually it's because mother had taken sick yet again (sure we tried to get her to move to B'more) and I had to get up to the Manchester, NH airport at rapid speed. Phew! This one time I realized my pepper spray that I carry with me was still attached to my purse and I had to lose it before going through TSA at B'more!
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Llama,

So you had to ditch the pepper spray? Hahaha 😂

Oh yeah, islands are a little slice of paradise. I don’t order any booze on any flights but a lot of people do like to down several drinks when flying. I guess I am boring, I order a coke or juice.

I liked Salem, Lexington and Concord. We did stay in Boston too to stay at The Ritz Carlton. My husband wanted too.

I loved Kennebunkport Maine and Stowe Vermont too. It is pretty in New England but even in the fall it was cold! I can’t imagine it in the dead of winter!

I was wearing socks and boots and my feet were still cold!

Do you ski? I never have. My husband has. He extended a business trip in Utah and went. He said he was amazed at how well young children did.

The loggers must be in great shape! I can see how they would have to retire early though. Tough job.
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I wonder what would happen if the Doctor came to visit one time & said "hmm, bit of a rattle in the chest, off to hospital with you. Oh & since you say you don't ever have enough help, I recommend you going from hospital straight into an Aged Home".

Now THAT would get a blank stare!
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Need: Yep, no choice but to rid myself of the pepper spray, else be detained by the TSA and well, as I said I always had to rush up to the Manchester, NH airport. I don't consume alcohol. Yes, I understand that your DH wanted to stay at the Ritz in Beantown. You didn't like Beantown, aka, Boston? My cousins are fading fast from too many years of logging. Gooserocks Beach was my mother's fav place. I loved Lexington & Concord since it has significant meaning of the war between our independence from British rule. Not a fan of witchcraft so no to Salem. I do not ski. As a child, I was anemic. VERY ANEMIC.
No, it is not cold in New England - at least to someone who was born and raised there. Bring on the cold. Say no to summer.
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Llama,

I liked Boston. I wouldn’t want to spend the entire time in Boston though. I liked the whole trip. I did have favorite spots for various reasons.

I went to Salem because my daddy was stationed there in the military and I wanted to see it. It’s a port town like New Orleans. I didn’t go for the witchcraft.

Yes, they have witchcraft in their history but it’s a nice area with more than witchcraft. One of my neighbors grew up in Salem. He loved it.

It’s kind of like New Orleans. We have Voodoo in our area but there are more Christians and a few Synagogues and Buddhist temples in our metro area. I don’t really care what religion someone is or even if they aren’t religious. I guess I feel that is between them and God.

We have a Krishna temple that serves free vegetarian meals to the community. I have never been but I remember some of my friends used to go for the free food when they were young and broke! They said the food and music was good. They didn’t join the faith.

Remember when Krishnas were all over the airports? Well, there residence was near Whole Foods when it was a small store on Esplanade Ave.

Whole Foods moved to a larger building but anyway, the Krishnas would hang out in front of Whole Foods and hand out roses and invite everyone to their vegetarian ‘feast.’
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Llama,

My neighbor forgot to remove scissors from her purse before a flight. Apparently these scissors were sentimental to her. She had them for a long time. They were quality scissors that were expensive. She had to ditch those before her flight. She ran to mail them back home. She hurried up but almost missed her flight because she did not want to part with her scissors!
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When I was a kid, my single mother was a primary school teacher who sometimes got me to cross-mark the ‘compositions’ of the children in her class. A regular topic was ‘What I did in the holidays’. It’s all coming back to me reading these posts….. ???
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My DH too with the scissors! His fav beard trimming ones! "well who's been a naughty boy?" quipped the conveyer belt drama queen. "You can come & see me when you get back..". He passed on that.

Son just kept walking. Was nearly tackled down after walking with backpack straight through the checkpoint - oblivious to the many "excuse me Sir". I had some fast talking to do that he had hearing issues... (more just vague teen really).

On return, DH asks where to get the *good coffee*.. & he's sweaty as just carried the heavy bag & wearing his coat. They bomb frisked him for that! First time flying with the kids... ahhh memories 😁
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Beatty,

Wow! What an experience. The kids won’t forget that trip!
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Need: Wow. I do not recall that religious group at airports.
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Need: I have never been to NO and I would probably pass out from the heat. Wait - what - how was there a post office at the airport for your neighbor to mail those expensive scissors in the mail? I didn't understand that part.
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Llama,

All I know is she shipped the scissors back to her home, however they do it. Maybe she had someone else do it for her.

Yes, if you don’t like the heat you would not be able to tolerate our heat and humidity.

Yeah, the Hare Krishna followers wore the long gowns and gave out roses hoping for donations.
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Beatty - I don't know if that would ever happen with the NHS. Theres never any joined up thinking - they'd just expect family to sort it out. In the past, they phone me and Ive had some right arguments....
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Hes full scale ill now. Having a right go and me because brother has phoned 3 times a day and I've got phoned for 4 days..... Hes not happy that "I dont care how ill he is".

Im not a doctor but it does sound like a cold to me. Jeez. I just can't cope sometimes. I get he gets anxious but its just getting too much now.

Trying to keep out of this circus once again but hes trying to drag me in.

Pray for me if Dad ever gets any illness even slightly serious (or real would be a start).
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Well, do you care?

Paul, you're so tightly focused on avoiding your father and dodging the bullets that you give virtually no time at all to thinking objectively about what his real needs are, and how far you're prepared to contribute.

If you decide that you'll call him on the third Sunday of each month and that's his lot, you won't hear me arguing. You're not responsible for him. Whatever you feel it's right for you to offer is what you should offer.

But justifying your decision by telling yourself he isn't really ill and doesn't really have any emotional or social needs is not the way to go about it. He is ill: he has chronic disease. He is old, and like everyone else of his age he will have good and not so good days. He has a cold, you think - then is it really so monstrous and controlling to suppose his son might give him a call to see how he's doing?

Stop making him the villain of the piece. He's a sick old man with a clingy, advantage-taking, attention-seeking personality. Be reasonable in both the amount of time you're prepared to give him, and your expectations of how he will behave.

It doesn't MATTER what your brother does. What your brother does is his business. If your father wants to make these meaningless comparisons, let him. They're still meaningless - as long as you don't give them any meaning.

Your father, like any other person, has physical and emotional needs. That does not mean that you are responsible for meeting them.

The fact that you are not responsible for meeting his needs does not mean that the needs are imaginary.
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CM - Not sure I agree with you here to be honest.

Yes he has needs. I think, over the years, I've done everything I can for him. And more. As I've said before, if it was up to him I'd be divorced by now.

If Dad had a REAL need then I'd be there believe me. Trouble is EVERYTHING is a NEED in his head.

I hear what you're saying about his needs. Its becoming obvious that Dad is not getting these needs met. But realistically, neither can I help. Would he better off in care home - 100%? Will he consider it - 100% NO. What can I do?

I'm not justifying him being not ill. I'm sure he does feel a little ill but I cannot put my life on hold because of it - especially when he TELLS me "you've got to put me first". Not just me - like I said in the past, doctors have sat him down and said "your not seriously ill, you've got a cold, all you need to do is rest up". Whether if he lived in care home he'd have people to reassure him 24/7 maybe?
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Paul and CM, an interesting take on it. CM is saying to make a plan and stick to it, no matter what DD says. Paul is trying to work out what actually matters, in the face of unending unjustified battering. Of course DD has needs, so does everyone including me. Mine aren’t imaginary, but they don’t mean that everyone else has to rush. Perhaps there is a middle way, Paul? Make a visit or phone call timetable, print it out and give it to him. There are lots of ‘boundaries’ posts about doing this. Then draw the line there, unless it does seem like something actually matters. It probably won’t change him, but it might make you feel a bit stronger. And crying wolf too often does have consequences.
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Need: That is a mystery about those scissors because I never knew an airport to have a post office - UNLESS she was able to package it up herself somehow, had a ton of postage stamps on her person and they had a blue mailbox where she simply mailed them off. That's a long shot, though, right? No, I do not like heat. I am a person who does not even own a sweater, nor a proper winter jacket because I can make do with a light weight jacket for winter. I do not recall that religious group because I don't hang around airports. I get to where I am going and DONE.
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paul: Wow. I AM praying for you. Rightfully he may have a cold, BUT I cannot believe that he verbalized that "you've got to put me first." That is NOT RIGHT! You have a life. I have to say that he may be magnifying things out of proportion because he may be ... thinking on it .... thinking in it ... and thinking on it. I hope this cold is a non starter. Prayers, my friend.
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Llama,

There are courier services that work independently that ship. She got her beloved scissors home.

I wonder how often that happens that they have items left over in purses or suitcases from road trips but they aren’t allowed on airplanes. I guess the courier services do well handling those matters.
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Paul,

A lot of people are in your situation. Unfortunately, their parents are fiercely independent and won’t consider going into a facility.

It’s sad because they should go for themselves and their families. It’s stubbornness and selfish on their part. How can you force them to go? That’s impossible.

You love your wife. She loves you. You have a strong family bond. He may want to break up your relationship but he doesn’t have a shot at succeeding.

People who have strong bonds like you and your wife are not vulnerable to others attempts of causing real damage. They can be a nuisance but not much more than that.

By the way, your wife is very smart! She stays away of the entire mess. I admire her. I also appreciate that you don’t expect her to be involved in his problems.
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