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My 85 year old dad has asthma and has been sheltering safely at home two weeks ago since the COVID-19 pandemic. Grocery stores in his area are open for curbside pickup, but none seem to be offering delivery right now. I called one of the local large chains in his area, and their website is not processing orders. I do not believe him walking through the aisles among other shoppers is an option since he has pre-existing lung condition. Is it safe for him to order online, then drive to a curb side location and ask the workers to load the bags in the car? What is a good practice under these conditions? He is seriously scared to leave the house and even allow himself to be within 10 feet of anyone or handle bags others have touched. What do you think would be a good and safe approach?

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No to going in the store. Even curbside can be a problem unless Dad knows how to clean and store groceries, or to let them sit for at least three days (those not perishable). I would say Amazon.com for things that can be delivered. Many things cans, canned tomatoes, things like this. Anything you can do online. There are grits, there is polenta and pastas. Many things such as canned tuna, that can be lived on. Time to think out of the box best you can. Nothing will be completely safe but I would say not going out now, tho I don't know where you live. Call adult protective services, churches, anything you can think of in this area as to those who would shop for him. A lot of teens out of school might jump to do this, but how to contact????
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Hummer Mar 2020
Even Amazon items may have been "contaminated" at some point. Our current practice is to bring packages in thru the garage. We open the box or package w/o touching our clothes, spray or wipe the inner wrapping/box down with a water/bleach solution (5 part water, 1 part bleach), open that packaging and dump our item on a "clean" surface. Wash hands then pick up the item & go on... A whole lot of nuisance but my own health issues make me vulnerable. We're able to have groceries delivered and do much the same. We leave outer packaging in the garage & place in trash later.
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Today in the mail we received a postcard from our city advising us of a city website and local hotline specifically for people who are isolated and need help during the crisis. Maybe his city has something set up as well? I would check his city's website for similar resources first.

Good luck and good health to you both!
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Just thanking you both, Snoopy and Alva. City website was useless and did not even mention anything about current conditions. For those who are elderly and not good with computers, I hope they are finding ways to manage.
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gladimhere Mar 2020
Call 211 for services of all kinds. Is there a neighbor that would pick up for him?
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Set up the online ordering if you can so you both have the login & password. Then you will be able to do it with him or for him. Agree with suggestion to call local council, church - hopefully a volunteer collection service for vulnerable people gets set up.

If only option is Dad going to collect he can call store before heading out (if they answer) & ask they bring it out. Pop the boot/trunk for staff to put in. That's what my Dad does. If not, wear mask to collect.

Once home, don't put the bags on the bench tops. Limit to one place on the floor (can wipe it later). I haven't started wiping down every tin but just being conscious about to where the bags & boxes go. But I do wash hands after unpacking & before eating every time.

He will still need to get some exercise, get some sunshine & air etc. Has he good a good veliable news source? So he gets the facts. That may help with the fear.

There is a real risk of depression for many. I Itart work early & see a few elderly people going for a walk at dawn. They are balancing their need to live & exercise but limiting their risk as much as possible by heading out when it's quiet.

It's great you are looking out for him & maybe you can call him more often. If he's tech savvy, a messenger/WhatsApp type app may be good to contact you & other rellies too.
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Call Council on Aging in his area to see what others are doing. If he has delivery he can wear gloves to carry the bags inside and then wipe down items.

Same if he does curbside pick up. Place the groceries in the trunk. He won’t need to be close to the workers. Otherwise, wear a mask while they load up the car. The trunk option may reduce his anxiety some.

It is so unsettling. I have asthma and have been hospitalized for it in the past. It’s horrifying not being able to breathe.

I have been on breathing machines. I do have inhalers. I feel like your dad. I haven’t gone out. My husband has been going to the store.
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When it comes to assessing risk I can't see any difference between curbside pick up, online shopping and hiring someone or having a neighbour/volunteer shop for you, all of them rely on the stores, warehouses and employees taking precautions.
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notgoodenough Mar 2020
Oh my goodness, you are so 100% correct, and frankly, it's refreshing to hear! I am not trying to make light of anyone's fears, and I certainly understand the need for the vulnerable population to limit social contact, but people need to understand that, unless you're slaughtering your own meat, growing your own crops and grinding your own wheat, at some point someone has handled the items you're purchasing from the store.
For myself and my family, I feel safer and more confident getting my items myself. My thought process is this: people working for these private grocery delivery services are not independently wealthy people, they're low-paid hourly workers...the very people most likely to go to work when they're sick because they literally cannot afford not to.
If I were forced to rely on someone else, I would opt for the curbside pickup, where the store employees bring the items out. I figure the store manager has a vested interest in keeping sick workers home and out of the store; those employees are also more likely to be getting some form of pay when they're out sick, since most big chain stores by me seem to be providing some sort of sick pay to their employees.
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Look at the people taking public transportation. Go on Facebook to see our ads for our RTA, buses and streetcars and the Ferry that crosses the river.

It’s an explanation of how everything is sterilized. Interesting to see.
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My mom is 93 and lives independently, and I've been doing a weekly grocery shop for her for years. But a week ago I told her I would stop this for awhile. I get a spring allergy and when I start to cough and sniffle I won't know initially if I'm sick or just getting my allergy.

I left mom with four options.

(1) delivery from her favorite grocery store. Discard the bags and wash hands thoroughly.

(2) sign up for a meal-delivery service. I signed up with Freshly and Schwan.

(3) order delivery from local restaurants.

(4) get Meals on Wheels delivered.

I heard a medical expert say we only need to worry about ingesting enough water and adequate calories during this critical time.

I don't think anything is 100% safe these days. I make choices that are "safer" and "smarter" and I'm willing to make sacrifices in favor of common sense. I am frustrated by the casual recklessness and selfishness in my family, my community, and in some of the threads here. Had to get that last part off my chest, LOL. Stay safe, everyone.
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jacobsonbob Mar 2020
Do you find that if you cough or sniffle due to an allergy, people look at you as it they assume you have the coronavirus?
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Senior center in my are will shop for groceries and pick up medicine. Spoke with them recently and they know my niece and I are caring for my 97 year old mother. We will use the service in case of an emergency. I would give them a call to see if they can help you.
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I have been ordering what I can from Amazon & pick up locations, like Walmart curbside. I spray everything with lysol & put on gloves to put it up. Everything gets sprayed with lysol or washed, then set on the counter to dry. Items are brought inside to the table not the floor, that would be dangerous for older people bending over & losing balance. So table 1st, wash or spray, put on counter, clean table. I make sure to have enough for weeks, so I've only had to do this 1x. I have asthma too. My husband works outside the house as he is an essential employee, so I'm concerned. But trying best I can. I add what my parents need to my list.
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Consider using a service like topchefmeals that delivers fully prepared meals without any subscriptions or commitments right to your dad door. I founded the company 10 years ago originally to help my 85 year old father who was living alone.

We are a caring loving group of people who care deeply and are trying to make it easier for our seniors in this time of need. As a family owned company and now my son (yes the third generation) we a re trying to make a difference in seniors lives but delivering great tasting nutritious meals to everyone.
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ShenaD Mar 2020
Those meals are not meant for old/older people, especially if they can only eat soft foods or gave sensitive GI. I tried them and there was only two meals that I could prepare and then take from each to make one meal for my 82 yr old dad. Waste of money.
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His local Senior Resource Center can bring him free meals for the week and no doubt a senior rec center, such as YMCA or local township rec ctr, would get him other needs. Also, I didnt realize you were in same town. My answer would be Go to the store for him.
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Are you able to do shop and deliver?
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If he uses the computer, signup at nextdoor.com for his area. Site is arranged by zip code and neighborhoods. Otherwise, a bit similar to this site. People can ask questions or post information relevant to their area. A lot of adults and kids are sharing their availability to help in cases like this for our area and may be in his also. It is a good way to connect.

Here is a good video on bringing groceries and carry out into the home.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjDuwc9KBps
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https://www.foxnews.com/media/doctor-david-price-coronavirus
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Contact local places of worship, preferably wherever he goes. Most have folks that will deliver groceries.

Touching things will not give him the virus. It is putting his hands to his face afterwards. He should wipe the outsides of cans and boxes with a rag dipped in bleach water., The items can air dry or he can dry them with a clean towel before putting them away. If he has produce, it can be soaked in bleach water for a minute and then in cleat water for a minute before putting it away (Old missionary trick), Discard the bags. He should then clean the counters the bags were on. Lastly, wash his hands vigorously while singing "Happy Birthday" twice.

Produce bleach water is 1 spoonful of bleach to 1 gallon of water.
Cleaning bleach water is 1/2 Cup of bleach to 1 gallon of water. Rinse with clear water afterwards for stone and metal surfaces.
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Bigsister7 Mar 2020
I would not eat produce that has been soaked in bleach water. There are safer ways to clean food, like cooking in boiling water. Avoid the salad.
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Leave grocery on porch.
Contact his neighbor for assistance.
Contact senior service.
Why can’t you take your dad food?
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Mahmud Mar 2020
Hi Dear,
I also appriciate your suggessition, First need to inform neighbour then home care services. Almost need his direct involbment.
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The others who said it's time to try to get help for him. I'm assuming you don't live near him. There are some delivery services that will drop things off at the door, but you'll have to check if they deliver to his location (Amazon prime, Peapod (Stop & Shop), etc.). But you can't avoid having other people touching things. If he uses gloves or washes his hands after putting things away and wipes off and washes cans and bottles before putting them away hopefully whatever might be on them will be cleaned off. I read an article that covid-19 only lasts for 4 hours or so on soft surfaces such as cardboard. Hopefully this information is accurate.
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He is right to avoid stores. We use Amazon Prime, Costco and Instacart for deliveries. You can also use DoorDash for local restaurants. Watch the video someone posted below https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjDuwc9KBps. This doctor Taught me how to handle containers. Very informative.
I am on Nextdoor and many people are offering to help others. Suggest you sign up there. Also call his town’s senior center and/or town hall to see what programs are set up to assist. Obviously you are not close by. Try to get more frozen and canned items so a shopping trip can last 3 weeks. If possible. Be safe everyone! ❤️🙏❤️
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Hummer Mar 2020
I am loving InstaCart! Surprising how many stores and pharmacies you can deliveries from.
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His only option seems to be Curb side pickup.
He can wear a mask and gloves, drive up open his vehicle go back and sit in his car til they finish loading up.

HEB just started free home delivery where you order on line, pay with a credit card, ect and they will give you a time and leave it on your porch.
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Try Amazon; they are usually quite speedy with deliveries & you can enter any fooe item you need & they'll get it for you. Best Wishes, Marilyn
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Walrus77 Mar 2020
I don't know where you are but I'm in the UK and tried ordering masks from Amazon. I thought it wasn't bad as it seemed to be next day (Prime member). It was only after ordering I realised it wasn't the same month, so in actual fact its over a month to deliver on Prime. I would have thought masks of any sort currently would be classed as essential but seemingly its generally not the case as I checked others to find the same or longer. Is food essential? Maybe Amazon knows the answer.
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Have you asked his Area Agency on Aging? They may have put together lists of community volunteers who'll help with things like this - I know our council has. It's all a bit hit-and-miss at the moment but their hearts are definitely in the right place!
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GingerMay Mar 2020
Thank you, CM. I just called and left a message. The recording said they are returning all calls within 24-48 hours. Hope they may have some options. Thanks.
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GingerMay, have you called his local store and asked if they have a special protocol for helping high risk customers?

I would do that and then encourage dad to wear gloves, mask and something to cover his clothes while he picks them up and puts them away. Reminding his that he needs to wash his hands and not touch his face.

I would also tell him to put a towel over the table and set all of his groceries on there, then he can throw that right in the washer with whatever he wore over his clothes.

I know that it has to be simple and easy for my dad or he won't do it.

I hope that you find a good solution and that you all stay well and safe.
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I’m wondering why you can’t do his shopping for him. God Bless you and your father to do the right thing.
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TRyan ordering from an online grocery store like walmart where they have all kinds of products and drive up pickup. Have your own gloves to handle the bags with. A set of cotton gloves should work nicely and can be washed as needed. There are also delivery services like instacart and dash cart that will transport for you if even going outdoors is a big risk.
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Sounds like you do not live in the same area as your father.
I hope your father is already signed up for Meals on Wheels, as they have strict protocols in place already for food prep & delivery. That would ensure at least one hot meal a day for him while he is sheltering in place. Contact his local church/food pantry for food box delivery if available and then look at purchasing other items. The prices are already going up. I appreciate your efforts to find him assistance.
Does he have a trusted friend/neighbor whom he can rely on? Lots of great suggestions above.
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from what I understand the virus can live on cardboard for 72 hrs...so what I have been doing is keeping boxes etc outside for the 72 hrs and then opening up and bringing things in...that is only non-perishables and it has been things I don’t need right away anyway. I am thinking if you could spray boxes & bags down with lysol or having a liquid detergent in a bucket with a towel and wiping things down outside 1st before you bring them in. From what others believe below...IT IS a risk to handle bags that others have touched..it’s a risk to set your purse down on the counter at Walgreens and then you touch your purse,,so then of course it’s a risk to touch bags others have touched.. it’s very overwhelming all of this, it’s like we should be in a hazmat suit.. instead of overwhelming myself with all this I have just been pumping myself up with healthy food and vitamins, astralagus, probiotics 2x/day washing my hands often. But you are talking about an elder so already compromised immune system. I would pump them up as well because I think you cannot not go around and not be contaminated, it’s just too hard to keep up with.
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GAinPA Mar 2020
It’s a small thing but instead of carrying a handbag, I have mine over my opposite shoulder “bandolier” style & across my chest so it doesn’t need to set on the counter. Also, my hand sanitizer is in a small harness type holder that is accessible to swing out for use.
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I'd have him use the curbside pick up service, then unload the groceries in the garage. Wipe down everything with Clorox spray and disposable paper towels *while wearing rubber gloves*, throw out all exterior containers (like cardboard boxes that yoghurt cups come in etc) and all grocery bags, then bring everything inside and put away. Throw the gloves away in the garage before coming in, too, that should say. In other words, use precaution in all ways but don't let paranoia reach the point where he's more at risk from panic attacks than from the virus itself. You know?

Let's also keep this fact in mind: the virus HAS been around us since December 2019. MANY of us have already had it without knowing it. And we have survived. The vast majority who do contract the virus will have a MILD case of it and WILL recover. When we look at the statistics, we lose sight of these facts and tend to focus on the mortality rate rather than the recovery rate.

Wishing you & your dear dad the best of luck moving forward.
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my2cents Mar 2020
For someone his age and other health issues, you do have to focus on mortality rate and take every single precaution to avoid contact.
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Curbside pick up is good and avoids all the shoppers inside which is far better than being around a lot of people. Very minimal contact and they will load it up for him.
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where does he live
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GingerMay Mar 2020
Grand Blanc, Michigan
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