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I found a multi sectioned spiral notebook like high schoolers use for more than 1 subject was handy - 1 was medical app'ts, 1 was a contacts with medical on first page for quick reference, 1 was financial issues with a quick reference there too but name/time/date of all you talk too, 1 was an inventory of her assets -

I emailed a write up on all app'ts with dr's contact info etc plus what happened on those app'ts to the back-up POA just in case but COPIED MYSELF so I had the same file & could find info quickly when it was needed
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Honestly....I would not have done the POA and moved my father into my house.

The POA thing bit me in the butt with APS. I only had one done because of my father’s physical limitations, so that I could get his business taken care of. When he was in a previous facility, I got a call from APS saying an allegation of financial abuse was made against me, and of course they wouldn’t tell me by who. No one in his family would have called that in because I had checked with everyone about the POA if they wanted it and they all said they trusted me to handle things. We think it was the ALF or someone at the ALF, either because of their mismanagement of his account (which I found later they were adding unnecessary fees to his bills and not informing us), or because my dad likes to tell people worst case scenarios for attention even if not true (something to the effect of “my daughter probably spent all my money” which yes I did...on his facility and care!). So APS investigated and found zero grounds for the allegation. But it set the tone for what came next.

When it was time to apply for medicaid, the caseworker ran me and my dad around in circles for 6months, telling us she wouldn’t help him with the application “because your daughter is a criminal, I saw the APS report!”. She closed his application for “violent behaviors, wouldn’t be allowed in facilities.” He got kicked out of his facility, so I took him in. He was so mean, ungrateful, ragged on my children, ran me around, lied to family about his living situation. Just sooooo much negativity and abuse. He was placed back in facility care almost a year ago after more strokes, got his Medicaid approved in record time thanks to the facilities social workers and business people (MVPs!) and I no longer deal with him. But ended up in a mental breakdown last January-ish, and I’m only just starting to feel normal again. 5 years after this mess began!

I don’t know what I could have done in the past, I had 4 children still minors to take care of, so I guess I was doing short fixes just to survive. But I do know if presented with caregiving for a parent again, I wouldn’t. I know now there are organizations out there, and my dad had nor has any competency issues, just mobility. So he could have dealt with things himself if he was put in the position to need to. He stepped up to do for himself once I stopped doing for him.
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jcubed821 Sep 2019
Miranova, thank you very much for telling me what happened to you. I have an ungrateful, self-centered mother who *could* take care of herself, but she wants me to take care of her. I just finally got out of a bad 35-year marriage, and now that I am finally free, I don't want to become *her* servant! What shocks me the most about everyone's experiences is how Ungrateful the elderly parents are! Your story has helped me realize that mom doesn't really need me to do everything for her, there are organizations I can turn to. Could you please let me know which organizations helped you in dealing with your dad? I would appreciate it very much!
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I took care of mom by myself for almost 5 years before becoming financially destroyed. I however recieved the greatest gift in the world, the kind money could never buy. The love and compassion and companionship of my mom. If there was anything I could change it would be better financial planning so I could've cared for her til the end. Now she's in a facility and I know they're all understaffed and underpaid and under qualified but thats the system thats in place. It's downright cruel inhumane treatment. The system is more than happy to pay a facility $20,000 a month for legalized neglect in a skilled nursing facility but not willing to give a family member even 10% of that for the care our loved ones deserve and should get out of basic humanity. If you choose to be her primary caregiver be financially prepared, get anyone willing to help you out to do so, your guna find out what people say they will help you with and what they actually help you with are 2 different things. Its as if by them saying anytime you need help just say the word they've already helped because they offered. If you can't do it till the end prepare to go through an emotional HELL. Since I had to place mom I've cried daily for almost a year now. I wish you the best and wish I could've enlightened you with an easy answer.
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Bronish Sep 2019
Oh Brandon! How sad!!! 😭. These are such hardship experiences, and so heartbreaking.....I think we'll all have our regrets in regards to what happens to our aged parents.
I would try to see her as much as humanly possible... But just know you did your best.... that's what I did....I wish I could've gotten Mother back to her beloved beach...but I couldn't....we live in the White Mountains of Arizona.... barely afford that.... but to get her a million-dollar home in Redondo, I certainly would have, if I could have afforded it. I really wanted to get her back "home"....but I couldn't. I offered to take her for visits, but she said No, because she wouldn't want to leave. I totally understood. All we can do is do our best.
Make sure you and your mother are saved by Jesus Christ....make Him your Lord and Savior, because our time here is so limited, and eternity is Forever......Heaven and Christ are the Goal....not Hell, ok. We default to Hell....there is no other recourse or way....only Jesus is the Way. God be with you and yours. 🌺🕊🌺
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I would never blow my cork no matter what.
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Jcubed821.....
I have indeed thought about your question....if I could go back and do it all again.... Here's my answer:

If I could do it all over again..... I'd have never married, but stayed with Mom and Dad, eventually becoming his caregiver, then my mother's.
They began to move around in later years, first to be closer to my mother's eldest brother, who passed about 3 years after they relocated. That was a Big mistake, because my folks left their favorite place to live near her brother....and that place was, Redondo Beach, Ca.....from being close by her brother, then they left for a motorhome life, which didn't last long because my dad was already too old and having health issues...so they spent away their fortune doing the motorhome thing, then they moved into a "dump" in a hot, horrid place called Lake Elsinore....and thought when they "bought" this old mobile home that it was theirs....all fine and good, except that they were now saddled with space rent, which increased a little every year....not good....for 17 years.
Long story short, Dad ended up in a nursing-type home, where he passed....then Mom, who was legally blind, needed help....my sister and I did our best to help her....me, finally taking Mother into my home which was out of state.....Mother was forever homesick for her Redondo roots.....and I couldn't afford to buy her a home there, unfortunately.
If I'd stayed with them, and didn't impose too much on their privacy, I may have been able to keep them as close to Redondo as possible....so, that's what I'd do differently, stay with them, and help them all along the way, possibly keeping them close to the beach. 😢. Oh well.
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smeshque Sep 2019
That is lovely
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It’s very interesting to see all of the answers posted here. I think we are all entitled to our feelings.

For me though, as a recently ‘former’ caregiver without the benefit of a ‘happy ending’ no less, I feel my opinions are drastically different than they were before.

I owe that primarily to my eyes being opened. I went into caregiving blindly and stayed that way because I denied any instincts that were different from what I considered to be my ‘obligation’ to my mother.

I learned so much from others here on the forum. Some had similar experiences to me. It doesn’t even matter though if they were different because I learned from everyone in one way or another. I am grateful.

There isn’t a ‘one size fits all’ answer for responsibilities in caregiving. Then there is the question if any of us are responsible for caregiving at all. This can lead to a heated debate among many.

I thought I was responsible and had I not tried perhaps I would have continually wondered. Still, am I glad that I devoted as much time to caregiving as I did? No, I am not.

Do I feel shame or guilt for no longer being a caregiver to my mother? No, I do not. At first I absolutely did and had many conflicting emotions.

Yes, I felt relief that caregiving was over but it was mixed in with shame and guilt due to my individual circumstances.

I was not able to let go of that until the incredibly kind, smart, compassionate people on this forum reached out to me. I will eternally be grateful to each and everyone of you.

I will not tell anyone else how to feel because I don’t have that right. Even if I did tell someone how to feel with their permission because they asked me they may not be ready to hear and I totally get that.

I asked for advice. I heard but I was not ready to hear. It did open the door to conversations. It did plant seeds to grow. I was able to draw upon that advice when needed. I continued needing advice and everyone was there for me. What a blessing!

I will only speak for myself. There is no obligation. It is a choice that should only be made by the person who is considering being a caregiver. The choice should not be made by the parent or siblings.

We were born with ‘free will.’ Not even God imposes on us. I believe He wants our actions to reflect our hearts. If our heart is not in something then what is the point? He does not expect anyone to do everything all on their own. Even Jesus fell with the heavy cross and accepted help carrying it. Caregiving is a heavy cross to bear.

Christians always feel they should carry their cross as Christ did and that is admirable but they forget that Jesus himself accepted help with His struggle. It would serve us well to remember that.

There are times we must sacrifice in our lives. Does that mean we sacrifice our entire self to be a caregiver? I don’t think so. For those that believe we should. You have no argument from me. I admire your spirit of service if you truly feel a conviction to do so. I was that person too.

For me now, I see the other side. It’s the first time I actually feel free to feel the other side. There is no ‘right or wrong’ way to feel but I can tell you that my doctor constantly told me that I would be of no use to my mom with my health suffering. By the way, the same applies to mental health. Burning out is not a good thing!
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cherokeegrrl54 Sep 2019
NHWM....i have followed your journey since i joined this forum. I have to say, i am so glad to hear the words you speak now. I dont know the situation that caused you to not be taking care of your mom now, somehow i missed that, however, i was SO worried about you, your words made me feel you were in a very dark place. I am so thankful to read you are now doing so much better with everything. It will take time, please give yourself the gift of once again enjoying your life, time with your family and the things you like to do. You have been thru hell and back and you have survived!!! For that i am very grateful for you!! Love and blessings that you will continue to heal each day...Liz
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Isthisrealyreal, Beatty, NYDaughterInLaw, NeedHelpWithMom: I certainly was not going to let my late mother live alone ANY LONGER, since she was bordering on "passing out" stage. She was a povery-stricken widow. And yes, my family and I made many attempts to remedy the situation before the deciding factor. In fact, when I moved in with mom, I said "You've lost your choice" as to her elder living situation. She did have choices, but "was so glad that she stayed in her own home." The choice was then transferred to me.
To jcubed821: Each one of us has a different situation. What some may say that they did have a choice to caregive, others were left with a difficult dilemma.
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Isthisrealyreal Sep 2019
LL, that was a choice that you made. Was it a difficult dilemma, yes, as are all of the situations here. But you made choices. No offense intended, but it is what it is and using different verbiage doesn't change the fact. Sorry.
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Isthisrealyreal: Thank you.💞💞
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I might be a rare one here in that I would do it all over again.
I only speak for myself and my experience, not everyones is the same.
My journey is not finished, and I would not change the place I have been put to care for loved ones.
A choice I would make over again, because I have learned so very much. A priceless experience for me.
I have drawn closer to Jesus and I have found my strength to do what I need to do in HIM.
I have been blessed to obtain more patience than when I began this journey. I have found peace in it, that I so did not have in the beginning.
I was led to this forum, where there are a lot of wonderful people that have different experiences and situations but come together to help each other and those in desperate need of a shoulder or advice, and if I was never in this position and labor of love, i would never have came here.
I really don't know what I could have done different as I did what I knew at each season of this journey.
I wish you the best and if you are a believer, God and prayer have been my answer to going through this journey with love.
As I read someone wrote, Love always love.
Greatest answer.
Try and take a few moments for yourself each day to refresh, that refreshing helps you do a better job and helps you do a better job of loving.
May God bless you in this your journey.
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NeedHelpWithMom: Thank you. I hadn't before.
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It’s eating up our marriage, our children’s lives, making us all feel guilty that we hate going to see my dad, hearing the same stories over and over, the same questions constantly repeated, him wanting to die in his own home, no matter the cost to the rest of us! It’s why I keep smoking even with emphysema. I want to die before I ruin my kid’s lives
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Bronish Sep 2019
Franklin....
I say these things to you in love, altho I'm sure right now you won't appreciate my words, but I hope and pray that same-day you will.
You're still smoking because you are addicted, and it's easier to keep caving in to your cravings than endure some serious discomfort in giving them up. I assure you, the money you save after giving up your bad habit will be substantial, and quite helpful.
You and every member of your family, including your dying father, especially your dying father, need to get right with the Lord! Entrust your eternal souls to the saving grace and power of Jesus Christ.
Eternity is forever, Franklin. Please consider the Lord Jesus Christ....for yourself and every member of your family...Here is the saving gospel in a nutshell, from a nut who will one day exit her shell, leaving it behind, for glory and pure joy in Heaven with God!
John 3:16----For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:16
I look forward to seeing you and yours in Heaven one fine day! Shalom! 🌺🕊🌺
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Bronish I’m pretty sure Franklin 99 is NOT going to hell!!
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I tried hard to keep mom in her home. I wasn't sleeping, had to shadow her every night, and then get up, go to my home, let hubby go to work, get my kid ready for school, and, then I go to work, AND;;; REPEAT...

I think I am still going nuts.. and I did have to move her for her safety and mine... It was hard, if I could have let her stay with us, I would have.

I tried, I did try to have her stay at my house... all she did was get angry..she wanted to go home.. I am sad about it still. But.. as my FIL said when he got cancer.. These bodies are not meant to live forever. Everyone goes, and hopefully we will meet again in God's House.
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My neighbor had to move his mom into Independant living. So she still knows how to use a phone, but she doesn't know how to handle her pills, so the family is finding out, and she isn't happy...she leaves messages on the cells how terrible her kid is that is not taking care of her every single minute and not being there when she demands...

The difference is, she can talk and use a phone...

My mom could not talk, ALZ, and didn't have a phone... She was a sweetheart. I miss dancing with her and her presence.
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Not do it. I wasted 7 years of my life and ruined my heath. Things I will never get back and no amount of money helps replace these things.
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I am sorry I sounded so “hard”, but I am now 70, too weak and tired to do much of anything. I adored my Mom and still make sure she has nice things but she does not have a clue who I am. Soooooo sad.
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terminal caregiving will stress you to within an inch of your ( seemingly derailed and wasted ) life . try to look at it from your departed patient's view from wherever . you stuck with it , it was extremely hard and they are thankful and proud of you .
you provided a service that you arent likely to be provided with in your elder years . above and beyond , dammit .
if i did it again id probably chomp pills and wash em down with everclear . oh , wait . that wouldnt be doing it differently .
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lucyinthesky Oct 2019
LOL!

Appreciate your "tell it like it is" method.
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For me the answer is "probably nothing ".. My parents came to live with me quickly and with little notice when my mom ended up in the ICU, and we realized just how bad dad;s ALZ had become. I had to take them in quickly as dad could not be left alone, and I had my mom transferred here for rehab. Hubs and I bought a huge house many years ago, and I used to joke we would need it one day when a set of parents had to move in.. Jokes on us! Dads ALZ got worse, he had to be placed in MC due to aggression at home ( we went 36 hours with no sleep , that was the deal breaker). He passed a month later, and mom is still here. Doing OK, memory loss is getting worse and she is very frail but we just keep chugging away. As long as she can keep eating and not burning the house down, we will keep her with us. Its a strain, but we have a routine now. It has affected our bills a bit,, but she is able to afford further care down the road if needed, and if not our finances will get back on track when she passes. If nothing else, I always planned to sell this big house when hubs and I got older, and that I now joke is my retirement plan for a smaller house! Luckily we bought low and the market has been good for years in our area.. not a lot of land left.
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I have to laugh that my friend posted on Facebook an article about a GRANNY POD being placed in adult children’s backyard!! Yeah right. My mom is not living in my backyard. What gets me about her is that she would never dream of having her mother come live with her. She put her in a nursing home. I don’t want to be a burden to my kids either. I would go into an assisted living facility.
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I'm am a very bitter daughter right now - so this may sound harsh:

Knowing now, what I know, I would have left her in the hospital and let social services or whoever deal with her.

She's back in her own home, after I slaved to get her house in order (first floor), and ready for her to move back home. What a friggin mistake that was.

I should've known better.

After 2 months, 12 - 6 hour one way trips, elbow grease and labor to clean her place up - to just have her turn around and call police on me , report me me to her credit card agencies and talk badly about me to her friends - after being so soo nice to me while in the hospital and after helping her do her tax returns and helping her with her computer issues . . . I can go on. I did nothing wrong.


Shes been hurtful before. But I had no idea she would turn on me like this at her age.

Obviously there are details to all of this - but the essence of the question and answer: Let the system evaluate her living conditions and decide how to proceed. I'm going to stay out of it.

I can't be her 'daughter' the way I want to be at the moment.
I'll just wait for her next crisis -
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Beatty Oct 2019
You did what you thought best at that time. Gut reaction to help - nothing wrong with that, be proud of yourself!

Next time, you will also do what you think is best & as you say, it may be very very different. That's ok.

The payoff for all your time & hard work is experience - you lived through it & learned. You may call it bitterness now... but this will/or already has - made you stronger! You got this!
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I would not done anything differently because my sister was doing all the decision making and I had no choice. My conscience is clean. I did nothing wrong.

For the most part I try to live one day at a time so I don't look back much
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It is critical that people like myself in the 50 age bracket know that the Medicare home health benefit is free (no co-pay!) Just contact the primary care dr of your elderly relative and insist that a locally owned home health agency send out a skilled nurse and physical therapist!
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Could I have changed it - if I knew how things would be today?

Hmm, probably not. I advised, but no-one listened.

Mum & Dad chose to *gift* my Special Needs Sister her living arrangements ie Sis living alone *independantly* while her parents met all her wants/whishes/whims. They hoped she would grow in independance.

Fast forward: Sister much more dependant, both mentally & physically (by stroke), parents wearing out, Mum's big stroke, Dad now Mum's fulltime carer.

Yesterday was the first meeting to start the process of finding suitable accomodation for my Sister. 10 years too late. But this *new gift* is better late than never.
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