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Rock - keep in mind there are different types of dementia, then different severities of dementia and then different personalities of the people who end up with dementia.
SO doing things "by the book" may not always work and one can't simplify it that way. Its too simplistic to say " talk to the person with dementia as if you are entering their reality", in my opinion. Yes sometimes that will work, sometimes will backfire, depending. I've found that out the hard way.

Somewhere I read that each elder with dementia is unique and different from others.....
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Rockhardplace94 Feb 21, 2024
True, no one size fits all apporch. I just know it was foolish of me to blindly follow what medical professionals were telling me. I just assumed that they would have what is practicable for my mother not what is ideally possible.

Part of which was my fault also since I did burn through a bunch of money following that advice moving her closer to us-across the street-paying aides out of my pocket.

I need doctors that live in reality. I should have known when I asked what they would recommend for placement they told me about places that are like 15k a month.
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Rock, you have been given a lot of good advice here from those with experience. I hope you are able to take something from it. Those who have been through it understand and have good suggestions.
Doing the same thing over and over will get you the same results over and over.
I don't know your beliefs but will pray over you and your situation and that there is a better way than how things have been.
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Rockhardplace94 Feb 21, 2024
Thanks, as of right now even though it pains me I am not going to see my mother and let the social workers do what they need.

Allegedly the current plan is to send her back to where she was. The hospital has not given her any medication due to the one to one. I told the social worker without an adjustment we will be back here but they do not want to listen but I have refused to take her.

They tried to play I am her guardian and thus it is my legal responsibility to find placement.

I called a couple of elder care lawyers and have some consultations lined up for next week. To see what is what.

Wife is still upset because this is still taking up time, since I was unable to get time off of work. I will give her time.

The advice has been a great help and I am trying to apply it. Next step is to find new doctors for her.
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Rock, if your doctors repeat their refusals and their threats, ask for it in writing. You may need it to report them, as they will probably deny and say you have got it wrong. Asking for it in writing will shock their socks off.
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Good Afternoon,

What about a Geriatric Neuro Psy doc. I, too, agree with others on the forum, a new medication perhaps to calm your mother to take the edge off.

These things do work but often take a little time to do their thing. I know it's hard when you have a job, a spouse and your mother whom you love. They can be like little kids. It's heart-breaking.

The two hour commute is no easy feat especially when you are working. Have you contacted a Social Worker. Was your father a Veteran during time of War? Are there smaller facilities in your area and can you get your mother on a waitlist?
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first of all, you wife is in the right . Your priority is her over your mom.

My question is what would NH do if you just visited once a week (or less, mabye less is more in this case) and let the chips fall where they may.

They cannot for you to take her They would have to deal with the state though I guess that depends on filial laws in your state although those are fuzzy too

My state is one of twenty where a child has no responsibility.
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Coming rather late to this unbelievable discussion.

Is Mom currently in the ER of a hospital? If so... under NO circumstances are you to let them discharge her to your care with the promise that they will work something out for you tomorrow. They won't and your wife will have a good reason to pack up and leave. In fact, I would communicate with the hospital social worker by phone only. If they put her in a cab and send her to your door, send her back to the hospital and/or call the police if she refuses to leave. I don't care if it's a snowstorm... do NOT let her into your home as the only way you will get her out is in a body bag!

What kind of facility was Mom in (the one with the lying, deplorable doctors) prior to the latest stint in the ER? Assisted Living or Long term care? If it was Assisted living, they are not (nor do they have the staffing) able to provide one on one care. Long term care may be able to provide it but only for a short term (with the staff shortage, they don't have enough staff either.. unfortunate but true). In both facilities, they are responsible for the safety of their staff and other residents. What I don't understand is the doctors who won't medicate her to protect their staff and residents!

Sounds like Mom needs to be evaluated in a psychiatric hospital which, in these day are few and far between unfortunately. If the hospital can place her be aware that they will place her in any facility within the state that will accept her so it may be further away. That's a good thing because you don't really need to be visiting quite so much regardless of where she is located. The woman that is driving you nuts and ranting and raving is not the Mother you knew growing up. She, regardless of medications, may never return so learn to cherish the memories you have her of from your childhood.

Rockandhardplace, I believe you said you are in the US. Can you tell us what state? I ask because some states Ombudsman and Dept of Health are more "on the job than others" and I would like to do a little research.

Has Mom been officially declared incompetent by a doctor? If so get that signed statement in writing! And stop paying for her care out of your funds. Is anyone PoA?

As much as you would like to, it is sometimes impossible to fix everything. You can't fix Mom and the grown man that you have become can't spend his days letting Mom read to him because it makes her feel good even if you were not married.
I am so sorry you are going through this. Please keep us updated.
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I am just thinking out loud here, but what if you were to make her a ward of the state? Get a social worker for the elderly and discuss the fact that you cannot quit your job and your life to care for her and the constant threat of eviction from your moms facility is causing you undue stress. Just meet with a social worker and present the situation. Where would she go? They may have some suggestions for you. Also, call her doctor and tell them what is happening and ask if there are strong meds that can help with her psychosis. If they are unwilling to help, they are the wrong doc for her situation. she needs a geriatric psych doc...

This is so hard and it is a struggle to remove the emotion from it all and take a step back to be able to see a way forward.

Keep this in mind...no matter what you do, your mom will still have dementia and will still need to be in a facility. Don't wreck your marriage and your health over it.
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Something is definitely wrong with a facility that doesn't understand that the care of the resident, once accepted, is their responsibility. If a son or daughter can be an adjunct to that, so much the better. For an administrator to emotionally blackmail you is outrageous. I would definitely report their conduct and contact an ombudsman; the contact information should be posted at the facility. I would also have a conversation with the social worker there.

If your mother's behavior, when you are not present, warrants them to bring in a psychiatrist to prescribe appropriate medications to better control her behavior, paranoia, and delusions, that it what they should be doing. Just because someone needs Medicaid is not reason for lesser care.

My husband is in a facility where his behavior got a little combative and his medications were changed resulting in better behavior. However, if he became an elopement risk and combative, they would have had to send him to a more secure facility, but the responsibility is on them not me. I am angered on your behalf that any facility would state that you are passing the buck. You and your mother are the clients or customers in this case. You are not there to serve them.

You and your relationship to your wife need to be your priority at this point. It cannot be said enough that caregivers need to take care of themselves first to be able to continue care for another.
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No need to be 'sorry for my rant and stuff... " THIS is what we are here for - to support you.

My heart goes out to you. I understand the distance / grateful that the facility accepted her. Still - not an easy situation.

My immediate thought was to research volunteers or pay a person to visit (care provider) 2-3 times / week.

* Get her medication assessed / adjusted (to keep her calm). It can take a bit of doing to find the right mix of meds (I went through this with my client who was a tyrant - and yet THAT means she was scared, her brain was changing (in scary, uncontrollable ways to her ... and perhaps would be frightening to all of us), she is confused. All understandable.

- Your mom seems to need some socialization; a person who 'cares' --- holds her hand (if appropriate), smiles, looks her in the eye and talks to her calmly. She needs a hug.

- Get your anger and stress OUT before / other than pointing the finger at the staff / administration. Obviously, this approach is not working for you. Try the approach of "what do you recommend" "I need help." In other words, humble yourself and come across as WANTING TO work as a team to meet your mom's needs. Certainly there is a time to hold a facility accountable ... this isn't the time to be pointing fingers (this is your stress talking i.e., "I don't know what to do YOU fix it"). This doesn't work.

- The wife. Find quality time with your wife and listen to her. Don't 'use' that time for you to dump (?) express your dis-stress about your mom's situation. Once you listen to how your wife feels, she likely will want to support you. Again, humble yourself and ask her "how can WE be a team" in this situation?

* While your mom still has some memory / cognitive ability and fibs do not work, as you indicate ... tell her "we are working on it" - leave the situation open ended.
- Never ever argue with a person inflicted with dementia. (Or anyone emotionally / psychologically activated). Shift to a space of COMPASSION as she is scared. Realize this - in her head, this is a 'life and death' situation. When you shift to "I KNOW how you feel mom..." If you don't know something, say what I always say "That's a good question, I'll look into that." Then stop, change the subject, hold her hand, smile. Give her a hug. In other words, acknowledge her as she needs to be acknowledged (= heard = she is still an important human being).

From what I can tell, you need to set some boundaries and stop 'running' all the time. (Facetime, talking to her the entire time you are driving, etc). You need to find support so you can relax a bit - or a lot - so you have your mental facilities to humbly interact with all who want to support you (and your mom), i.e., your wife, the facility.

I'd recommend you arrange a couples massage for you and your wife.
Surprise her with this special 'our time' / quality time. She will appreciate it.
... and so will you.

Lastly, and equally important: Get a male doll (okay, a "Ken") and tell her that this is her baby... try to see how / if you can shift her feelings of wanting you / the attachment she has to you, her son, to a doll. This may or may not work. It could also be a puppy or kitten (some are animated to move, purr, etc). This may provide some comfort. You want to be open minded to try different things. First though, get volunteers or caregivers in there (to socialize) 2-3-4 x / week. They don't have to do anything or much (necessarily); just be with her. As well, if they can, they could bring music, art paper / pens, puzzles -- the key is to pay attention to her 100%.

Gena / Touch Matter
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I think you need to consult an elder care attorney asap, so that you may best understand how to respond to the SNF’s threats and the general lack of facilities available to your mother.

It seems utterly outrageous that they are demanding your in-person intervention multiple times per week when they are paid to care for your mother. That is their job?!

It does seem that your mom is being manipulative and when things are worked out with the staff, a schedule that works for you needs to be set and maintained.

My mom is in a SNF with mild dementia. I bought her this interactive stuffed cat that is popular with the dementia community. My mom likes it fine but the residents with worse dementia REALLY are fascinated by it. Its not inexpensive but might be worth a try: https://a.co/d/3G7aBBs

I know you’re in the thick of it. I’m praying for you. Please call a lawyer to sort out your options and make sure you’re prepared for whatever move they might make. Might also be useful to discuss other placement options (and how her diagnosis seems to be unfairly limiting her options - is the diagnosis even accurate??).

Keep putting one foot in front of the other.
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Kristen2037 Feb 27, 2024
Also yes to contacting ombudsman asap.
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Rock, I agree with most everyone here except the person who said you’re a “mommy’s boy”. You’re someone who cares deeply about his family and wants the best for them. You’re an empath. A rare and admirable quality.

1.) mother needs a full psychiatric evaluation. She needs Meds. Even if she does become zombie-like. She has no quality of life the way she is

2.) the administrator who put you on notice should be fired. This is unprofessionalism at its worst. But, leave that for now…

3.) Your wife matters. Your own mental health matters and Your happiness matters. Speak with your doctor about your depression. Your mother is in a safe place, she may be giving people a hard time, but she’s safe. Turn off your phone.

4.) people adapt. Even people with dementia adapt. With the right meds your mother will have fewer outbursts and find ways to make herself feel better.

5.) Find out your legal rights so that no admin can threaten you or your mother again. Possibly have your lawyer put the LTC on notice so there is no more harassment.

Things will get better. I wish you all the best

NorasDaughter.
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Rockhardplace94: Your marriage is your priority.
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The centers for medicare and medicaid are obligating facilities to use less and less anti-psychotic or behavior modifying medications for patients in facilities. They believe that these meds were being abused far too much in this country by facilities caring for the elderly, which may have been the case and they worry about the effects that many of these drugs have on the elderly. Now, facilities have to report the percent of patients on these type of meds and if it's above a certain threshold the facilities lose ratings and thus it affects their funding. But the reporting is very black and white and it doesn't take into account individual cases. The only thing they care to know is the percentage of ppl using these meds and not why. The facilities claim that staff use other methods of diverting these behaviors, but the fact is that most nursing homes are so understaffed that one to one care is almost impossible. In this case I am not sure why the facility was so hard on you and making you responsible when clearly they should be doing all to try and find a solution either by properly evaluating your mother and carefully prescribing medications to help her. It's sad that so many families have to deal with these types of scenarios when they are already in so much stress from taking care of their loved one. Making ratings by letting humans suffer should not be a way for facilities to do business and our government should not be promoting it.
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MargaretMcKen Feb 28, 2024
Opiode prescription by GPs is being monitored here too. Our GP objects that it is stupid – his rural patient base is largely elderly people with chronic pain problems, quite unlike the average city suburban patient base of women with small children.
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Now that you have your Mom somewhat safe, I suggest that you visit other Nursing Homes and Memory Care Centers. Be brutually honest about your Mom's behavior. Ask them how they would handle it. Ask them if they have dealt with something similar. Go to another state if needed. Once you find someone who would handle it the way that seems acceptable to you, then ask the Medicaid question.

Involve your wife in the search. It will help her to understand what you are going though. If she says no to a place and you think it is okay, ask her for the reasons why no. Make placing your Mom a joint decision.

See if LTCOP in your state/county will provide any assistance for finding a place:
https://acl.gov/programs/Protecting-Rights-and-Preventing-Abuse/Long-term-Care-Ombudsman-Program

As you found out, the general consensus might be dementia, however, many dementia patients are capable of learning. I didn't want to do the therapeutic fibs as that to me, would just erode the trust my Mom had in me. That is part of the dementia, they know something is off, however, they are not aware of how and when they are "off", therefore, they are seeking the truth....and the truth relies on consistency of information.

I wish you well on your journey. The journey is hard and much easier when shared with others.
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Hi there, comrade. I felt every word you expressed...your situation is almost exactly like mine! Im also struggling to find the right meds to keep my LO calm and less delusional while she's in a memory care facility....but when her memory sparks, she becomes her old angry, controlling, and paranoid self and demands to have me with her at all times or she threatens to leave at all costs. Unfortunately, stronger doses of meds and activities to keep her busy kind of works. She was never a fan of dolls until now though ... she at times believes they are real babies (me and her younger siblings she once took care of). But it doesn't work all the time. Maybe small steps like that can help if your mom still sees you as a child? It's so hard to understand how our LOs minds work in these stages. Especially if they still have their wits to see through the redirection. I pray your mom gets the proper help she needs to stay calm. But YOU have to take care of YOU!!! I know it's easier said than done because your hands feel tied. Damned if you do damned if you don't, right? But facilities and Healthcare are established to help patients with difficult illnesses. Perhaps reach out to the facility's Ombudsman, or your state may provide one. Caregivers need help too....most times it's just to have a piece of mind that your LO is being well taken care of and sone weight is off your back. Also, if you haven't done so yet, register for free with Alzheimers organization (www.alz.org), they offer free resources for LOWD and for caregivers 24/7. If you don't mind, I'd also like to stay connected to read other answers on this thread...I often feel cornered when my mom's behavior becomes uncontrollable and I'm called upon to calm her down at the most inconvenient times too.

But hang in there...you're not alone in this sad and difficult journey. For now, just breath. 🙏🏽
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You know, this post below jogged my memory and when my daughter was small, my mom bought her a doll that looks like her. She sent in a photo.

I know you said a doll didn’t work but maybe find one of these companies and get a doll that looks like a younger you.
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Hey, I don’t know why this got bumped but anyone’s instant reaction to a Medicaid facility’s threat like this would be to ask for the ombudsman’s contact info. The last thing any provider wants is the state making a non routine visit.

The literal job of an mc is to deal with those who have progressed to the point that it’s beyond the family.
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