My husband's family insists in showing up without calling to visit him. There are 4 adults and 10 kids. Any ideas on how to make it possible for him to see his grandkids? I have talked to them twice and was very explicit that visits will have to be short...under an hour...that didn't work, so then I suggested bring half the kids 1 visit and then the others another day...they refuse to do that.
Anyone exp. this? I am sole caregiver, husband has Parkinsons and is blind in 1 eye so very limited vision. Caring for him and running a household solo takes all my energy. There is no way I am going to cater to 14 other ppl. but at the same time I want him to have some connection to his grandkids.
And as far as them just showing up without calling, now that is just plain rude. I would make it perfectly clear to them that while you and your husband enjoy seeing them and spending time with them, they MUST from now on give you the courtesy of calling first, so you can plan on meeting them elsewhere. PERIOD!!!
When my mom was in the nursing home I arranged an outdoor picnic for her birthday, we tucked mom off to the side so she could be a part of things and whisked her away for a nap when she had enough.
I think maybe the outdoor get together is the best option, either at home or in a park, that way they can run off some steam and he can retreat if necessary.
And while I'm sure you would never try to discipline your grandkids that doesn't mean you can't give your own kids a (figurative) slap upside the head 😠
Years ago, I suppose that people were less formal.
It always makes things more difficult. They stay a long time. I end up cooking a big meal or picking up food.
It’s rude. I can’t imagine just ‘dropping in’ on anyone.
I had a key to my parents home and I never just walked in. I always rang the bell. My mom would say, “Just let yourself in, honey.”
I never felt comfortable barging in without ringing the bell, even though they were expecting my visit.
Your uninvited company should respect your home and certainly their grandfather’s health concerns.
It’s a shame that this burden is placed on you. The parents should tell them, if they don’t say anything then you have a right to do so.
In your situation, don’t do anything extra. They will have to understand that you weren’t expecting visitors, so you are not the one being rude, they are.
Their visit is an inconvenience when if planned differently and the children behaved better, it would be a welcome pleasure.
I agree these are rude people. I would go nuts if 10 kids were running around my house. I bet you just sit there on pins and needles stressing out the whole time. And I realize that what you say could be turned around but I don't think asking that they call before they come is too much to ask. You are not the hired help.
You are not their servant either. I would not feed them. What I might do is leave. Get out of the house. Explain what they may need to do for Dad and to please make sure the kids are careful of the leads.
Maybe you can play school. Sit all the children down and explain that Grandpa is sick. That when they climb all over him they are hurting him. Explain the pacemaker how it helps him and that crawling all over him may dislocate the wires and then he doesn't have the help anymore. Tell them its OK to give him a hug and a kiss but they need to be gentle. Also ask them if they would like you coming to their house and breaking their toys. Hopefully they say they wouldn't. Then you say by running all over you house, they have or could break you toys and like them you wouldn't be happy.
These parents are so wrong in not teaching their children respect for other peoples things.
Check.
"I would go nuts if 10 kids were running around my house."
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"I bet you just sit there on pins and needles stressing out the whole time."
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"...I don't think asking that they call before they come is too much to ask."
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"You are not the hired help."
BIG GIANT CHECK CHECK CHECK CHECK!
"You are not their servant either."
Even BIGGER GIANTER CHECK!!!!
"I would not feed them."
Check. Nor would I entertain them in any way, shape or form. I would sit with hubby and make sure the vermin are not crawling on him. If they ask for food or drink, my response would be this isn't a restaurant. BYOF and BYOD. Then help yourself to your own. It is MORE than enough that you provide all his care. They aren't helping and their "visits" only hinder, so it's the least you can do for them, make them bring their own and serve themselves. You just sit with hubby. Worst case then is cleaning up after the slobs when they leave. Do not lift one finger to "serve" them.
"These parents are so wrong in not teaching their children respect for other peoples things."
Another BIG CHECK. Bad enough encountering these kids running amok in stores, with no parent in sight, but to have them in your house?
The one thing I wouldn't do is leave. Bad enough what they're doing right in front of you. He needs to be protected from these clowns. Get yourself and hubby drinks and snacks and SIT. Be the king and queen of the household and let the jesters entertain you (while you ward off the lesser beings.)
Is there any way that could work?
Not knowing how advanced the Parkinson's is, does your husband voice his opinion on long drop-in visits where the grandchildren jump all over him? Outside of refusing them entry to the home if they continue to just "drop in" I don't know how to stop this behavior and it could be counterproductive where they would stop coming altogether depriving your husband of time with his children/grandchildren, then making you the "bad guy."
If they want to have a meal with both of you, they would bring the food for all involved.
If it were me, after about 30 - 45 minutes, I would speak up and say thank you for visiting but your father is getting tired and we need to wind this visit down. Your husband should be telling his children to keep down the rowdiness of the grandchildren explaining they are hurting him or his worry about his "leads". If they don't listen to him, I'd then tell them in no uncertain terms that Grandpa isn't a toy and to climb down off of him. (I can't even believe that should have to be said.)
If that doesn't work then I'd leave and return after 30 - 45 minutes kicking them out. But, then, that's just me. Good luck.
I could never leave my husband alone to deal with the suffering. Prior times they have been here while I was at work they watched the kids destroy the house, broke 2 of our most expensive art statues, had drink spills on the carpet, and not 1 note of apology, acknowledgement, NOTHING. So just leaving is not an option. I did kick them out last time and swore never again. I am also thinking about getting a security system w cameras in case evidence is ever needed to file charges. There is a history of my jewelry being stolen.
If they insist on in-person visits, set the ground rules:
1 - Which days (probably limit to one day of the week) and times (limit to best times for him and you)
2 - Limit how long (2-3 hours max)
3 - Food - they must bring enough for all (including disposable dishware) AND you are not providing anything except water in disposable cups (which they should supply you with)
4 - With weather getting nicer, it should be outside
5 - They need to comply with CDC protocols for COVID - everybody else wears face mask (especially indoors), no closer than 6 feet, handwashing before interacting. Expect everybody to get COVID vaccine as soon as possible unless their doctor advises against it (immunocompromised person).
6 - They need to clean up before they leave
7 - When you say the visit is over, they must comply.
My sweet and intutive daughters have seen that I get stressed out when we're at our house (the smallest home by far) and they have begun simply saying "we're hanging out at our house" and we go to one fo the 3 MUCH LARGER homes. I'm not spending all the time in the kitchen, and I enjoy the kids a lot more. We do use our house for outdoors events and then the colder months, we're at one of the bigger homes.
I think I made maybe one phone call while I was undergoing chemo and cancelled a family dinner and that is probably what got the girls to think "we're in OUR 40's. mom has been doing this since she was about 25!" There is no shame in letting the next generation take over.
My DH gets bored and tired b/c he refuses to wear his hearing aids, so he often just finds an empty bed and climbs in it. Total party pooper, but that's what he does. He's the one missing out.
People can't read your mind. I know when my middle daughter did Tgiving last year I was weepy with gratitude. All I had said was I was so unenthused about the holidays in general and she got the hint.
1) Pick one person, phone them (and confirm in writing) that you are giving THAT PERSON the responsibility to let you know the details of any planned visits. At present, 4 adults are sorting it out between themselves, and no individual is taking responsibility to let you know. ‘Let me know’ is all too vague! You need someone to take the blame if it’s not done. You stand a better chance with the next visit, and if you are quite clear about ‘blame’, the following visit is almost certain to be better.
2) Pick someone else to organise food. Say that you don’t have time to do it, and they need to bring with them enough for everyone. If they don’t, it will be a ‘no meal, no refreshments’ visit. Once again, have someone specific to blame if it isn’t organised. Stick to it – don’t provide any food, don’t run round at the last minute, don’t apologise. If they want refreshments, they bring them with them or go out and buy them. No apologies. You can still be ‘nice’ - say something like ‘I’ve been looking forward to trying the things that you make. What a pity it got forgotten, I’m sure you will try to remember next time’.
3) Do you have near you one of those places that hosts children’s birthday parties? Suggest that at the moment it would be the best place for a visit. The children (particularly if they are sub-teen) can enjoy running round on all the bouncing gear, while the adults have a chance to sit quietly with DH. Make it clear which one of them is making the booking and paying for it, and the same with the food that will be available there. You can explain in detail (and again confirming it in writing in an email helps) exactly how it will work better for DH, since they don't seem able to work it out for themselves.
Complaining when things don’t work for you is easily forgotten unless you throw a hissy fit about it - which you probably don't want to do. Organising in advance is a better bet!
When my mom was still in her house and I was living there with her, she had an Alzheimer's idea in her head that her relatives were coming. The history of these relatives was that they'd show up from all over the country on the same day (a race to see who could get here first) and invade the homes of the relatives living here. With this memory in her head, my mom had me close all the drapes, lock the doors, unplug the phone, turn off lights and music, and take her to the basement to hide. Most of these relatives are long dead, but in her head of past memories, they were coming and it caused her horrors because she would be the one who had to organize food, cleaning, and beds, while they chatted away with each other.
And while this may not be an issue for you..... don't waste a lot of time trying to make them like you. It's a done deal in their minds and you will always be the "bad" guy for them so don't give it a thought. They should be happy Dad has someone who loves him and is willing to pay caregiver but ........... somewhere along their upbringing that factor apparently got lost. Too bad for them.
Wishing you peace in this journey.
Looking back I should have made it clear everyone needed to help! Relatives will let you do it, unless you ask, so do.
If you are doing the picnic make sure the others bring food! Ask them to bring what their children will eat and if they are not forthcoming, suggest certain dishes that they need to bring and get them to help prepare it when they arrive if it is not already done.
Children surprise you sometimes - say 'Who would like to cut the cheese into cubes or wash the lettuce?' As opposed to 'Does anyone want to help?' Or ask the bigger children specifically by name 'Jim do you want to wash the strawberries for me?' Etc. Until they get it!
Good luck!
Advise.
They choose.
Consequences.
Advise what you need. They act how they will. You make the consequences that suit you.
Advise that you need notice for visits to your home. That is polite afterall... that home visits suit the folk who live there. That visits need to have LESS people, ONE hour & BYO food & drinks.
The Drop-ins may call themselves *spontaneous* & consider themselves *fun*.
But Planners may think this behaviour is *impulsive* & *selfish*.
If they drop in after being warned I would seriously open the door only a crack & say "now is not a good time. Please call beforehand, like I asked". That's their consequence - no visit. Their wasted time.
I really like Margaret's suggestion of this group nominating an organiser. Someone nominated to take responsibility.
If they STILL drop in. I'd call their nominated organiser & meet at a local pub/hotel/cafe - somewhere with a kids playground. Obviously they buy all their own food. You & DH stay one hour then leave.
That would be my approach. Move it to a location that suits you better. My folks find big groups at their home tiring now too. So we split the groups up or go out instead.
As far as entertaining them while they are there and the length of visits why not take the opportunity to go out and do something yourself, let their visits give you a break and them a taste of what you are doing all day, what caring for him entails. It will only be a taste but actually doing it gives a different perspective from being aware someone else is doing it while you visit. I’m not saying disappear every time you don’t want to miss your time with the grandkids I’m sure but split it up or split the visits up but release yourself from any need to entertain or feed them, if they feel comfortable enough to drop in they should be comfortable enough to take care of themselves.
Then, I agree with whomever it was that said keep the doors locked. If they don’t call and just show up either don’t answer the door, maybe your at a doctors appointment or answer it and say this just isn’t a good time, sorry and stick to your guns don’t let them bully their way in. They may not understand what the big deal is and the blame will probably land on you but not being able to see grandpa once or twice because they can’t follow the requested program should change their behavior. No reason to offer food or drink other than water they can get themselves, these aren’t “event” family gatherings. But do try to encourage them to plan a family gathering once or twice a year that either you and DH can attend or if that isn’t possible that maybe takes place in the yard so he can be out there when he’s up for it or in his room with one or two visitors at a time while the family enjoys playing together outside his window?
Have you tried asking for help from one of them? Say asking one to fix something around the house or help taking Dad to a doctors appointment, including them individually in the day to day needs, maybe part of the disconnect is that they either aren’t getting the message that your job is hard because you haven’t asked for help or they feel left out and are asserting themselves as his kids all be it in a disrespectful way. Right or wrong maybe they feel disrespected too? Not trying to defend the behavior just dissect it. I have found in my blended family that understanding why people do things often changes my approach and acceptance as well as theirs.
Since they show up without warning next time they show up say..."Oh, I am so glad you are here. I need a few things at the store, you can stay with "George" while I go out. His "briefs" are in the drawer over there, gloves and ointment are on the counter. I should be back in time but if not, his medication is portioned out in a cup next to the coffeemaker".
Then you take your purse and keys and leave for an hour, 2 or 3 would be better.
If you can't bring yourself to do that then do NOTHING when they get there.
Don't make lunch for them, or dinner. Don't get coffee, tea, cookies, cake or anything else that will make them feel "welcome". If you need an "excuse" say you have a splitting headache and would love nothing but some peace and quiet for a while then go lay down and read, take a nap, listen to some music....
Start "using" the family as your "Respite" time.
Can you gently talk to your husband about it - and have HIM set some boundaries?
If he could say to his closest adult child, or all of them at once "I love seeing you but My doctor said I shouldn't be having so many visitors because Im very susceptible to contracting Covid and all viruses." OR "I love to see you all but it's too much for ME to have everyone here at the same time".
You don't say if you prepare meals for this rowdy crowd but if you do, you need to stop this and just say, " I'm under the weather today".
Last and perhaps most important: Many times, it's not what you say, it's HOW you say it. Kindly tell them how hard it is for you and their dad, and how much you would appreciate some help. I really feel for you, people who are so oblivious need clear boundaries but if you won't or just can't set them, you will have to face the consequences. My sincerest wishes for a good resolution.
If you REALLY want to make them stop visiting--ask for money. *never fails*.
Put them to work. Take advantage.
I'm sure his children and grandchildren want to see what their dads living conditions are like. I am guessing that may have something to do with them dropping by unannounced.
I don't know if your husband is able to take a car ride or not, but can you suggest meeting them at a park. That way all of those people aren't in your house and the kids can run free and make noise without it being right in your face. You wouldn't be responsible for getting drinks or food for anyone...and you could leave when you feel your husband needs to.
I just read one of your responses to another poster. It sounds to me like they feel claim to their dad while disrespecting you, the stepmother. And from what you have said (stolen jewelry, house left in disarray) it has probably always been that way. It's a very touchy situation. I think you are going to need to keep trying to reason with them about the visits being too much for you and your husband. The only other option is to not answer the door, which I think will stir the pot.
Do his children have keys to the house? If so, change the locks straight away. I would then do as others suggest. Open the door a crack and say, "I'm sorry, now is not a good time." They don't seem to care about anybody else's feelings except their own. Insist that 14 people is WAY too much stimulation for their Dad to handle in one visit.
Obviously, these visits are not spontaneous if ALL of them are coming over at the same time. They are purposely coordinating this, most likely to get their visit in and assuage any guilt of not visiting and not "helping". They probably think if they "overwhelm" you, it will be so chaotic and distracting for you, that they won't be asked to "help" you individually in ways that would REALLY be helpful. And it has worked for them.
From what you describe, his family sounds like self-entitled narcissists. They expect YOU to entertain and feed THEM while they visit their father. No. Stop that right now. YOU deserve to be respected in your home. Make it clear that they will need to call ahead to schedule their visits separately for your and their Dad's health and well being. You've been his wife for 18 YEARS. I can see you tip toeing around their feelings early on in your marriage but they are adults now. Make your boundaries clear and unequivocal. If not now, when?
I had this problem with my MIL. DH bought our house a year before we were married. He remodeled the inside. His Mom helped alot. She made drapes for extra money so she did the curtains in every room. After we were married she seemed to think she had the right to come and go. She kept buying things for the house that were not my taste. Until my DH told her to "let J decorate the house her way". Then she stopped.
You can ask the kids individually to call him on Zoom (free), once a week. Have them shift days and times, so this way he feels their company and concern, but he's not overwhelmed.
The adults obviously have no regard for you or your husband. They can do the same thing (without the visit), unless the adult wants to take care of their Dad, and stay overnite, or contribute money for an aide to come for a day and give you relief!
1. Designate one of the adults (out of 4) to make the arrangements with you AND your husband. He needs to be involved in the scheduled visits and for how long. Your husband needs to step up and let his kids know that out of respect for you, the visits will be scheduled and not random.
2. Put locks on all your doors and shut them during the visit, no one needs to worry that kids are getting into things because they are curious after all.
3. If the visit should include food, the designated person should make arrangements. Order pizza, pick up KFC, let them pick up subs and chips at the store. As a host just have plastic and paper products so no one does dishes.
4. Let’s face it, having visitors is exhausting. But time is precious and someday it will change. The payoff of your husbands family visits is that he gets to spend precious time with his kin. The same goes for time with your kids. I hope you and your husband are able to facilitate the changes very soon so that EVERYONE can enjoy the visits.
Next month will be 7 years since my hubby had a stroke. He doesn't speak, his right arm is dead and he uses a hemi-walker. I have been the sole caregiver ever since. It's not easy but somehow I manage. I applied for Medicaid in 2016 and they denied him. He was left home alone while I works. Then after his sister( she is the firecracker), came in February 2020 after I extended the olive branch, she came to our apartment and yelled, screamed and said I should be locked up, called me a lier. I was shocked by the way she acted, and my husband just sat there crying cause he can't speak and help me. She knows she could never talk to us that way if my husband was able to speak. I was crying too. After she left, I got in my car, went to the park and just sat there and cried out all my tears.
After I came home, I told my husband that I can't handle this, it's disrespectful for her to come in our home and act that way. I texted her and said you are no longer welcome to visit out home unless you change your attitude. You are disrespectful and rude. She went off like a rocket. She said she will send the police. 2 days later the cop came and he met my husband. I showed him the texts she sent to me saying she will send the cops and other threatening stuff. Mind you, she sent the police and APS to my home in 2016. The thing is my husband don't want to see her and she thinks I am the cause of that. That's when I reached out to our office on aging and let them know whats going on. They had us apply for Medicaid and he got approved. A month later, he fell and busted his eye. So now he has aides.
All was going well when I got an alert on my phone one Sunday this February 2021. It was her leaving a voice message saying if anything happens to her brother, she will punched me to death.
I blocked her from calling or texting me. I called her back that same Sunday and I went off on her like a rocket with colorful words, I didn't give her chance to say 2 words. She answered the phone calmly. I have had enough with her. I let her know there and then, I will not put up with her harassing me and you will learn some respect. It's easier for family to tell you what to do when they have not stepped up to help out in any way. She wants to show up at our home unannounced and I told her that's not acceptable.
I have a routine with my husband in providing his care and whatever time I have, is for me to run errands and catch some sleep. She has no idea what my day is like. It's not easy. I know I have done my best in being there for him. I can only do so much. I have broken sleeps at night, anxiety and panic attacks due to the stress of my situation. Seeing her and hearing her voice sends me into a high level of emotional stress. It's better for my well being for her not to be around us.
I am an easy going person who don't like confrontation and keeps to myself. I think that's what she saw and took advantage of my personality.
So my prayers are that you set some boundaries. Only you know how much you can handle at any given time. You need to for your sanity. We all are in this together. God bless..