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Is your Mother on Medicaid? They have a cap of $2246 per funeral.
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worriedinCali May 2020
The cap actually varies by state.
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I agree with those that said let your sister have some say in mom's final arrangements and not putting a monetary value on whether she's allowed to have input.  It's good that all family are included and welcomed at these crucial times.  It doesn't mean you have to take all or any of her suggestions or desires, but she should be included.  Maybe she would make calls to some of the family at that time or some other small task that needs doing during that time. Whether she can or not do anything to contribute, surely your parents would want all their kids included no matter what. 

It doesn't benefit anyone to risk making a sad time worse by excluding a family member who didn't or can't contribute to this or that for whatever reasons.

Keep the service simple as possible.  I found this for you, and hope maybe it will be helpful.
https://www.us-funerals.com/funeral-articles/indigent-burials-and-cremations.html
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I’m surprised that the responses here are overwhelmingly for your poor (?) sister who is grieving greatly, destitute, and needs empathy from her loving sisters and another free pass. I’m with Judge Judy in Cali. Those who have lots to say, get to pay. I have a relative who never pays for anything, ever, and thinks he’s doing a good deed because he’s giving those who do pay, for everything, always, the opportunity to feel good about themselves. You see, he’s actually doing everyone a favor. How crazy is that?!
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dap2020 May 2020
My younger sister is now a lot more richer since she doesn't have to repay my older sister for however much money was loaned to her. My younger sister's and her husbands property is sitting in my shed (rent free!) until they find a more permanent place to live--so far about 15 months or so. My niece kind of forgot this detail when she bitched me out for me daring to tell her mother that she should pay something toward the funeral bill.
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Take a $10,000 policy for less than $100 a month. What the heck is to plan? I hope you get a different prespective on this issue. Mom doesn't need to hear this whooie.
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worriedinCali May 2020
It’s most likely too late to purchase a $10,000 plan at $100 a month.
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Maybe she doesn't have any money. So many people are overextended with credit. Maybe your sister is bordering on bankruptcy and can't come up with any money. Cremation and a humble service can be arranged for approximately $3,000 or less. If you loose your sister, what's gained? Only get one chance to bury your mother with loving goodbyes, together. You and your sisters try and come together without judging. Afterall, money can be replaced, family can not. Can't help but ask why your parents didn't carry life insurance. My husband and I had a huge insurance policy while our children were at home and then dropped the larger policy for a smaller one. I've always felt responsible for my own burial expenses and a little extra for their expenses to travel to and from (ok, and a little to boot!).
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dap2020 May 2020
Our parents have no assets the last several years before my dad passed away. I did ask last year if they had any life insurance but they apparently got rid of it years ago. Probably couldn't afford it.
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Just to add a different perspective:

Your question - should your younger sister have any say in your mother's final arrangements - assumes that you and your (paying) sister and your (non-paying) sister will not be broadly in agreement about what arrangements should be made for your mother's funeral. But is that necessarily so? Aren't you more likely to want more or less the same respect to be paid to your mother's remains?

Her reluctance to stump up any contribution whatsoever to your father's expenses is a different issue. I should try to keep it that way, if I were you, and not tangle these things up. Has your older sister talked to her about that?
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dap2020 May 2020
I don't think my two sisters talk too much. There is friction because my younger sisters bankruptcy greatly affected my older sister.
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I would just tell her mom has not assets and we don't see this as necessary
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Remember, he lost someone, too. How important is money to you. Weigh your fillings between money and Love. And by all means this is a question you should pray about, if that would help. Always helps me.
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When my mother was disabled, we purchased Colonial Penn Term life insurance for her-the kind where they don’t do any sort of health screening. You might look into something like that for your mom. For as little as $20 a month now until she passes it could end up giving you the funds you need to bury her. My mom had no other assets either. As far as the other funeral, just let it go. If other sister did not commit to paying for 1/3 ahead of time, you can’t guilt her into it and she has no legal obligation if she didn’t sign on the dotted line.
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dap2020 May 2020
I'm the only son and I never signed on the dotted line but since I am one of my dad's kids, I felt I should help pay for his funeral. My older sister is stuck with the remainder of the funeral bill.
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Do you have a prepaid funeral arrangement with the home? (It sounds that way.) How about a simple memorial service, or even just a graveside service, after her death? (I did a graveside service with each of my parents.)

Your younger sister's lack of effort to pay anything is a symptom of her 'denial;" she just does not want to talk about or acknowledge the mortality of her own mother.

As others have said, "let it go." Younger sister is not going to help.
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With regard to funerals and siblings......I learned from experience.  I had to plan Dad's funeral since my Mom was in rehab for a fall down the stairs.  I handled everything from the funeral home, the church services, the military service, getting his uniform in pristine condition, everything he would have wanted.  My two sisters had to put in their two sense about everything, though they had been estranged from my parents for months prior.  I ordered the flowers which we had discussed beforehand, and took care of the bill, since one lived out of town.  The two of them showed up at the funeral, which was three years ago, and I (and my Mom) have not seen or heard from them since.  And, I was stuck with their florist bill which they never paid afterward.  So, the moral of the story is: do what you feel is right for your parents, for you. And don't go out of your way to do anything for anyone unless they are actively involved and offering to help.  That way there is nothing to fight about and no grudges to hold.  They have to live with their choices for the balance of their lives, and you can hold your head up and know that you did right by your parents.
Lessons Learned.
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The time to plan moms funeral is now. You can get a plan that fits within a limited budget and begin pre payment now.
Find that budget and stick with it. Do not buy more than mom can afford.
Often if you are not moving the body from one state to another you can elect not to embalm. But you can not have an open casket. That is a savings there.
1 Day wake and funeral is another savings. The more days the wake is the more the cost.
Once the funeral is planned if your sister would like to make changes she can pay for changes and she needs to pay for the changes at that time. (She wants an open casket..she pays for embalming, she wants 2 day wake..she pays for the extra time. She wants a church mass..she pays for that.....)
As far as chipping in to pay for dad's funeral...let it go. Most likely you have figured out that she will not pay for a part of it so why stress yourself any further?
As far as how to pay for mom's start now and take a bit of her income and pay it just like any other bill to whatever funeral home will give you the best price on a basic funeral. Just like a house, a car, a pair of shoes..Don't buy more than you can afford.
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Three sisters?! I am of that sort of group. What a NIGHTMARE! Why does it always have to be two against one, even in the most difficult of times. Stop ganging up! Just relax! Sis will do what she can and the vindictive behavior of the other two certainly will not help the situation. Just knock it off!

And about hosting ashes, mid hopefully you were kidding. MIL lost FIL's ashes for a time. Just stick me in a paper bag and scatter wherever.
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So sorry for your loss and the pain surrounding the memorial. Please talk to the people who are paying about scaling back to something more affordable. Funerals should not be a financial burden on families.

After this funeral is behind you - at least a year - talk with you mom about setting up her own "funeral arrangements." The only people who care about casket, viewings, etc. are the ones who are alive, not those who have passed on. You can discuss with your siblings how much each is willing and able to pay. Some places have plans so you can pay in advance.
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Your sister lost her mother as well and is grieving. The degree of grief is somehow related to her ability to pay towards her mother’s funeral?

This is not the time to rehash bad feelings. You all can make a silent pact and get through the funeral. If she can’t pay and her suggestions would cost extra $ then her ideas are vetoed.

Life is too short. I say all of you join together to have your mom memorized properly and with love.
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This is not unusual in families. My suggestion is that your older sister and you think as if the money provided one last gift to your parents. Don’t hold a grudge or pressure your younger sister. During grief, feelings are jumbled and actions are not always logical. Ask once if she is going able to contribute and at what level? She may feel pressure to split equally. This pressure can crush your younger sister. Instead ask her to buy the bouquet of flowers? But ask in a way that she doesn’t feel defeated or ashamed that she can’t contribute to the last present to Mom.
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This is a very sensitive subject that requires more than a text. It needs a 4 -way conversation between you all, including your mother. I’d suggest a family meeting to discuss the two issues - the current bill and the arrangements your Mum has in mind for her funeral. This should be about what each person sees as their contribution and negotiate ways to contribute, which may not be financial. An alternative to discuss is your mother addressIng these costs in her will, either cash or some other arrangement e.g. possessions.
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Why would you want to be so petty and cause a rift that will last for a lifetime? Your sister will also have lost a parent. She should be included in the planning of a simple funeral with family and closest friends of your parents in attendance. This shouldn’t be an overwhelming expense.
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Include her in discussions/decisions, as she, too, is a daughter. If she can’t contribute toward the expenses, then ignore any suggestions she makes towards increasing the expenses. She just might come up with suggestions on how to decrease the monetary cost. There are non-monetary things to be done with funeral planning that she could do.
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dap2020 May 2020
Good idea. I like that.
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What are your mother's wishes for a funeral? That's the only "say" that should be heard. Does she want a ceremony that costs your family a great deal of money, or only what's necessary to have her buried? Family drama around funeral arrangements seems such a petty waste of energy. And from an outsider with no skin in the game, I'd say "let it go" -- life is too short to worry about roses versus daisies.
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elaine1962 May 2020
Amen!
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It depends on the Level in your hearts. Maybe suggest she pay a little ffor some catering tha tis usally done after the services, dinner or something. Even flowers. It is not a question of money when a loved one Dies, it is what is Part of the Heart......
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Having gone through a funeral with my uncle. You have to ask yourself is it worth fighting over at a time like this. Sure the three sisters should have that conversation. And whether she pays or not involve her. One she will see how much it cost and feel like a family member. Cutting people out hurts and is it really fair to cut out because of her ability or willingness to pay right now. We got cut out because the other side feels they know whats best. Times like these hurt and leave lasting scars. We will probably never talk to the other side again and thats horrible to think but people become greedy and mean when people die. People should be holding each other and getting through it together. Grief is not fun and then you add family drama and things get even worse.
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Can you re-negotiate with the funeral home over services not yet rendered? For example, can you scale back on the grave marker to save a few thousand? My Mom passed away a few years ago, and I bought her grave marker online a few months after her simple grave side service. It saved at least a few thousand dollars, and it’s a beautiful quality item; I just bought it in a new way/ Mom is proud of me for saving money- I am sure of that !!
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Maryjann May 2020
My mom asked for just a graveside service. The only ones who benefit from big funerals are the family (and the funeral home). A lot of people are guilted into spending way more than they should. If any elderly person has their heart set on a certain type of funeral, they should pay ahead and lock it in. Otherwise, in my opinion they get what they get. (And I did pay for my dad's funeral, my mom's graveside service, and I have been the executor of a friend's estate and followed his wishes for the funeral. But he paid for it.)
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There is also a pandemic going on. Some are forecasting a second Great Depression. At the very least there is a terrible recession going on and many more people are going to lose their jobs. This is not a time to go into debt for a funeral, of all things.

If you and older sister are independently wealthy, or have tons of savings, definitely pay for expensive funerals. It's certainly not right that your younger sister misled you both about her intentions if that was the case. But many people have lost their jobs, more people are being laid off all over the place right now, budgets and public employees' salaries are being cut and there may be a second wave of the virus (which we hope is not even worse, the way the Spanish Flu's was) in the fall and to be blunt, now is not the time to spending money on the dead that the living need right now. People like your sister (a past bankruptcy, right?) need to save all the money they can to survive this crisis the best they can. The next few years are going to be scary for the non-rich.
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Donate her body to science. It’s free. My mother doesn’t have any money either. She gambled it ALL away. But she doesn’t expect me to pay for anything either. She told me to donate her body to science. Or start a go fund page and have people donate to it. Why should the daughters have to pay for the mothers funeral? Who would pay for her funeral if she had no family, no daughters? No living family? Who would pay for her funeral in that case? Oh yeah, by they way, money is the root of all evil. It tears families apart.
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ThisIsntFun May 2020
I donated my father’s body to Mayo for a dementia study. It cost $1,600.
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If your Mother can't fund it & is not the type to pre-plan the funeral details will fall to those who sit down with the funeral director & pay the bill.

I think this is more about the past than the future. It was understood that sister 3 couldn't pay at the time - the anger seems to be over her lack of intention to remedy that now. Is that right?

I get that. Is it about the actual money - or that she hasn't taken on any responsibility towards this? Some people are just clueless.

I always arranged & paid for the meal when my youngest sister came to our place. When we went to stay with them, we brought extra groceries (milk TP coffee) & my DH collected & paid for take away. Since the arrival of kids this started adding up. They were clueless - it hadn't even crossed their minds to pay any. When I brought the subject up, she said I thought you wanted to pay? Wow. She somehow seemed to think she got a free ride... I said half would be fairer.

I don't think in honesty your sis will want to pay up but have a chat. If she is willing to contribute (half if she can) to settle that old account - take it. She'll be paying more than she thinks she should - you'll be getting less but it's a compromise! And hopefully then you can move forward & let it go. Good luck.
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dap2020 May 2020
Is it about the actual money - or that she hasn't taken on any responsibility towards this? Some people are just clueless.----It may be both. Not so sure that she and her husband know how to handle money and since she isn't obligated to pay it, she isn't going to. I wasn't obligated to either but being my dad's son I paid my share so my older sister wouldn't have to get stuck paying for the whole thing.
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I don't believe that adult kids should have to pay for their parent's funeral. If your sister doesn't have the money to help pay for dad's past funeral and probably won't have the money to help pay for mom's funeral (even making payments) then why is she made out to be left out or feel bad about not being able to pay?

I think it is very sad to use money as a power-play and to make someone feel like they are not part of the family because they don't have the money...so what...she doesn't get a say in ANYTHING!!! Money is a sad reason to break up a family over.

However, if your YS agreed to help pay for dad's funeral and won't pay then no she should have no say in planning mom's funeral.

Can she help in small ways that have nothing to do with money?

Just remember how you 3 sisters handle dad and mom's funeral will be the stepping stone for your relationships for the rest of your 3 lives! Be caution how you handle all of this....I speak from experience!
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Dap2020,
Just my 2 cents. If your financially unstable sister is making reasonable suggestions then maybe carefully consider them.
Not really sure what the status of your relationship was before Dad's passing, but you still have to live your life after the funeral is over.
I guess what I'm trying to say is don't let money be a wedge to drive you and your sister apart.
You have to look at yourself in the mirror every day. Only you know what you can live with.
Sometimes doing the right thing is often the hardest thing!
Good luck and God bless!
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Pr sister that you and your older sister are paying for the funeral and are following your Fathers wishes. Shut and closed. Just repeat that every time she chimes in
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