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Many elders make an art out of manipulating us with their Woe Is Me stories, my mother was one. Had one set of stories for me, and another set of stories for the rest of the world who served her in Assisted Living. For me, she was lonely and starved of attention, dying and in pain 24/7, for everyone else, she was Strong Like Bull and blowing kisses to her caregivers while yucking it up. Two entirely different faces were presented depending on the audience. Keep that in mind with dad.

I'd like to address your statement, " I guess I just do not understand why someone would be this way. I would never do this to my daughter. I want her to be happy. I have already told her that if I get in a position that I can not live alone, that it is ok for me to go to assisted living. She says would not do that but I want to know that it is ok if it comes to that."

We don't understand this type of manipulative behavior bc we're normally functioning people. People operating with mentally ill/ personality disordered or dementia riddled minds don't think normally. Stop trying to "think like dad" bc you Can't! Just chalk it off to his dysfunction and find coping mechanisms to deal with it, and boundaries to set up to prevent you from getting sucked into the games.

Re: the stigma of Assisted Living. It's pure nonsense. My folks lived for 7 yrs in an AL that looked and felt like a 4 star hotel with all the amenities. I should be so lucky to have the financial wherewithal to afford Such a thing in old age, that my children would have that peace of mind, to know I'm well cared for in such an environment. We must all ditch that nonsensical thought that AL is some 19th century insane asylum and recognize it for what it truly IS in 21st century America: the answer to a prayer for those who can afford it, and for us "children" of difficult parents we can't and won't have living with us.

Wishing you the best of luck with all of this, faithfulbeauty.
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jeanniebug1969 Jun 2023
I'm truly grateful your parents were in such a great assisted living situation. However, it's important to remember there's still many AL's out there that appear great on the orientation & walk-throughs, but what goes on when nobody's keeping tabs on the patient can still be horrific in many AL's. I have a good friend who's 93 year old Dad had to go into AL. Their entire family searched & searched for a "top of the notch" facility. They finally found one. It was sooo expensive, but very "high end" in the richest part of town. (A very big city) When they went back 24 hours after he'd been admitted, his clothes & bed were absolutely SOAKED in his own urine & feces. He hadn't been fed, he was dehydrated because they hadn't even brought him water. Worse, his "roommate" that shared his room (there was a curtain between them), was in his 70's, & was masturbating furiously when they walked in, with the curtain not even pulled up for privacy. Ugh! My friend & her family were furious. They confronted the staff & were told they'd been "short-staffed the past 24 hours." They also said their Dad's roommate had a mental disorder that caused him to masterbate all the time. My friend & her family immediately literally pulled him out of there soaked in urine by themselves & never went back.Their Dad wound up in hospital that night due to dehydration, & bcus the AF had not given him any of his meds. Including his heart meds. :(He stayed in ICU until they found a really good facility a few days later. They say if you put a family member in an AF to be sure to check on them often. In person. And make sure the staff knows the family (or anyone) is keeping an eye on their care. I've seen & heard way too many Nursing Home horror stories. Including male orderlies having sex with the older, defenseless female residents. AF's & Nursing Homes can be a great thing. But never ever put someone in one & not check on their care frequently. The staff needs to know people are watching them for appropriate care. Abuse can & does happen all the time in these places. There was a Nursing Home up in the Midwest that got busted for the young FEMALE workers taking pictures of themselves sitting on the old men's laps. Laughing & exposing the elderly men's private parts. It was disgusting. Many of the caretakers in AF's & Nursing Homes don't make much money. If I caught an AF or Nursing Home staff treating a loved one like that, I'd probly wind up doing real prison time.And my mom's a diagnosed Malignant Narcissist who also has BPD.They're helpless, sick & weak at that stage of life. There's no excuse for it. It makes me sick that facility workers can be so cruel & sadistic. Just watch out for whoever you put in AF's or Nursing Homes. 👍

I've personally known too many friends who've had terrible experiences with supposedly great AF's & Nursing Homes. I'm years away (hopefully) from needing one. But they'd literally have to pull my dead carcas out of the bottom of the Mississippi River before I'd go live in one. It IS terribly lonely for alot of the residents. I haven't lived an entire productive, good life helping my fellow human beings just to wind up lonely, scared & sick in my old age. Screw that!
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From your previous posts I think Dad is playing games. There was a member on here that just laughed at their parent when she would make certain remarks. "Right Mom" type of thing. He is acting like a child, you treat him like a child. "Dad, you must keep the volume up on your phone because this is the last time I am driving across town when u don't answer" Install cameras where you can look in. I don't own an Alexa but are they 2 way so you can call and he can answer?

Make your call 1x a day as a check in. If he doesn't pick up leave a message. Make him realize that he is not funny. That this is not cute. Remind him of the boy who cried wolf. Tell him u do not have to help him and it would not be hard to walk away and leave him on his own. He needs u more than you need him. Lay down the law.
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AlvaDeer Jun 2023
jeannie, your level of perfection is admirable, and it gives us all something we can aim for.
But most of us are only human.

We have periods of imperfections, episodes of mini-breakdown, longings for a more normal life , frustration, and --dare I utter the word?-- even anger sometimes.

I am not seeing the levels of "cruelty" you are seeing here in responses, but we are all different.
While I do admire that you have a depth of understanding with regard to your elders, I also think that your judgement of others here is just a little bit "harsh".

I think most people on Forum are kind, and are, at the least, "trying". People who come to the forum, for the most past, are already steeped in guilt: feeling not good enough, patient enough.
I always try to reassure that we are NOT Saints; and that it isn't a great job description, anyway!
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MeDolly is correct. It can all be a part of the game. Clearly you recognize when it is happening. And if there is some dementia here then he isn't fully capable of controlling his instinctive actions to protect himself, to get himself attention. Think of it as being much like a 2 year old.

If there IS not dementia, then, recognizing it as you do, simply ignore it. Things that don't work are seldom used on a continuing basis by those well enough to KNOW they aren't working.

As to the phones, stop overchecking. No answer, don't call back for at least one half hour. That is a sort of Pavlovian training. Might you miss a fall or something? Sure. But you might miss a fall that occurs at 5:01 a.m. if you last spoke to him at 5:00 a.m. as well!
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iwvicki Jun 2023
Get a "help I"ve fallen" medical alert necklace and be sure they know how to use it adequately and that takes some training. The aging person has problems you can't possibly understand until you get there and they are surprised and trying to cope as well. Everyone on this thread seems kind of self centered to me (not all) so have a meaningful sit down and figure out what everyone can do to make it work for all.
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Classic case of manipulation, power, control. making you worry is all part of the game.

He has a phone, he can call you when he needs you, break the cycle, don't call 3 times, no need to. As for the other "I'm not feeling well" I would say "Sorry I'll leave now".

Might be time to explore placing him in AL, he will have plenty of attention there and be with people his own age. My mother is a "Sarah Heartburn" she can fake anything and will to get attention.
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After 15 years of increasing care for my mother, we (meaning Mom, me, doctors) finally decided she needed to go into a nursing home at 85. Worsening dementia, wandering at night, decreasing mobility.She had an Alexa set up at home, so I set one up there. Also a full Fire TV. And I have multiple papers printed with the same instructions around the room. I tell her, the nurses, look at the paper, and say what it says to do what you want. Music, it will turn on the tv, change channels, volume, etc. And also all she has to do is say to call me and it will (ring my phone).One other thing it does, is let me "drop in" (intercom). Don't really like using that, but it saves calling the nurses every time. She also doesn't answer her phone, and it's often turned all the way down too. I'm pretty sure when it rings she will just stare at it at times. On purpose or not, I don't know. At times she's better, at times she's worse, I just don't know. I dropped in once, and another call came in, phone ringing, she said out loud "what the world", kind of frustrated like.

Edit: Town is 30 miles away (closest facility, closest hospital, closest stores of any kind), so stopping in and checking every time was not practical.
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This situation is all too familiar for many of us.

I used to drive to my mom’s house when she didn’t answer the phone. I would show up not knowing what to expect and then she would say, “Oh, honey. I’m sorry that I was in the bathroom when you called.”

This was before mom or I had cell phones. She had one phone in her hallway and she wouldn’t hear it ringing if she was in the bathroom showering.

We can’t possibly know if your dad is putting on an act. I’m sure that it’s hard for you to figure it out right now. Everything is a guessing game in the beginning of this new chapter in your dad’s life.

Maybe your suspicions are correct and your dad is looking for attention from you. Some people do want others to feel sorry for them. They get satisfaction from seeing others cater to them. The truth is usually that their behavior is working on our nerves and we are growing tired of it.

Don’t allow this situation to get to out of control. The minute you start to feel resentment towards your father, it’s time to make some changes that will benefit each of you.

Start researching care options for dad, a facility, a caregiver but don’t even think about him moving into your home. Trust me, been there, done that and it is very challenging to have a parent living in our home. Avoid it at all costs.

Best wishes to you and your father.
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My mom does this all the time. Attention seeking behavior, martyr complex, "I'm not feeling well so I can't (fill in the blank)" or "it didn't work for me" or "I didn't get the text" or "you said X" (I said Y, 8 times).

It's not new behavior…it's her lifelong habit of being shifty. Worse now that she's in her 80s. Utterly exhausting mentally and emotionally. My sister and I are spent.
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i have a LO who intentionally made me worry.

OP, whether your father’s doing it intentionally or not, (and my opinion is, it’s intentional. why? because when you know doing X or Y worries your family member, or that it can be easily solved by doing Z, then it’s intentional)…he won’t change. some other thing WILL appear in the future that’ll worry you, and he could have easily informed you, there’s nothing to worry about. this WILL keep happening.

here’s the point:
“He still lives alone but I'm foreseeing that he will need constant help in the near future.”

the only way you’ll feel less worry, is for him to have caregivers at home (or facility). i suggest, keep him home. he’s happy at home. he’s mentally competent. he has every RIGHT to enjoy his home, and not be forced out.

he might not want caregivers. but that all depends on you OP (if you’re willing to help). search for a good caregiver (it’s not easy). if the caregiver is truly a nice, good, sweet person, he’ll actually be very happy to have someone around. be careful, many caregivers pretend to be nice (especially in the beginning). some are thieves, mean, incompetent, unreliable…

you need luck, and lots of interviewing, to try to find a good caregiver. we had terrible, unreliable caregivers from agencies. i found good private caregivers. it took me a long time to find them.

it’s the only way, OP. so long as your father lives alone, you’ll keep worrying, and crises (real and fake) will happen.

it’s the only way = to have caregivers (whether at home, or facility). you’ll still worry, because problems WILL still happen. but you’ll worry a bit less.
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Isn't it just awful when your parent over-plays so that you feel guilty for NO REASON!!!
We moved into a home across the street from my parents when my dad had a stroke, and we knew we needed to be there to help my mom. She was always playing the 'help me' card. Whenever we tried to do something without her, she'd wait about 5 minutes then call, saying that we never come over and what would she do, and how would she manage. Yup, we'd turn around, forget the movie we were going to, and be with her. Time and time again.
One time, we had a very small earthquake, and she called with "heeelllpp me". Of course, we ran across the street. We found her in the living room, stretched out on the floor, face down with the phone about a foot away from her. So by this time, some of the neighbors had also come into her house to see what the commotion was about. I know how she fakes everything just to get attention, so I got on my knees beside her, leaned down and whispered to her that I knew she was faking, and the neighborhood was now in her house, and she'd better get over it. She gets up on her knees, gets to a chair, gets herself up and says, "Well, that certainly was some earthquake."

I guess what I'm saying to you is that our parents take advantage of us when they can. And that you can only be taken advantage of if you allow it! Just hope you don't do the same to your kids when the time comes!
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Beatty Jun 2023
Academy award heading your Mother's way. 🤣 Oh gosh, sometimes funny , sometimes tragic, the drama Queens in life keep us busy.
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As posted in another thread….your Dad would benefit from assisted living. You can go back to work and living your life.
Then if you call and he doesn’t answer , you know he is safe in a facility . You could always call the facility staff to see how he is doing . Not sure if your Dad is being manipulative or he’s lonely or frightened . Start looking for a new home for Dad with or without him .
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A little help can mission creep it's way to running another person's household.

It can be hard to SEE the invisable line from one to the other. But your gut will probably FEEL it.

What's your gut telling you?

"I need any advice I can get. I wash all his clothes weekly, clean weekly, grocery shopping and take him to all doctors appointments".

Your Father's army-of-one is advancing...
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Umm.. your Father needs a maid?
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