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I have a bedridden father who I’m trying to shower without the net used on the hoyer lift to get him out of bed and into a shower wheelchair. Does anyone know if this is possible and if so, how?
No. Absolutely not! Who in the world suggested such a thing to you. WHY would you consider such a thing? I say this as an RN. You do not shower a bedridden person.
That sounds WAY to hard and complicated to me, so why don't you instead just give him bed baths? When my late husband was completely bedridden and under hospice care, the aides came twice a week to give him bed baths. But because part of his stint with hospice was during Covid, there were about 5 or 6 months when the aides were not allowed to come, and my son and I had to give him bed baths. It's really not difficult at all, as long as you have one person to help roll and hold the person on their side while the other washes them up. Once you get the hang of it it doesn't take long at all. I wish you well in getting things figured out for your father.
I agree with funkygrandma59. My LO is bedridden as well, and we refused to put her (and ourselves) at any risk with a Hoyer lift. So, bed baths are the solution for us (she is getting one right now from the hospice aide). The bed bath is quite effective in getting her clean.
Is the issue the shower procedure? Or just removing the net sling?
Shower procedure may go like; . Undress on bed . Roll to place Hoyer sling under * . Hoyer lift to commode ** . Roll commode into shower *** . Remove sling (if fabric - can keep in place if net shower type) . Shower . Cover person with towel to stay warm . Roll commode back to bedside . Lay towels on bed . Hoyer lift onto bed . Dry & redress on bed . Roll to remove towels
* 2 x assist to Hoyer lifting, especially an adult, especially if frail
** Only if person can SIT safely in a commode without sliding out. A tilted commode can be used IF safe.
*** Only works if a flat floor shower. Otherwise another Hoyer lift from commode onto a chair in the shower but this would need to be a truly giant shower space to allow that.
Remove a sling; . Brakes on commode . Lift 1st leg & remove strap . Lift 2nd leg & remove strap . Tilt torso to remove sling from behind back/under bottom. This can be done by tilting person forward slightly but MUST stand in front to block risk of falling forward. Or tilt to each side if sling is caught under bottom.
Unless the person is quite mobile, that really is a 2 person job.
To replace sling, do in reverse.
If not done before I would NOT attempt solo. Have a trained Aide train you. Or even better, a qualified OT - to assess, problem solve & work.oit the safest way for Dad, you & any other carergivers.
Well done, Beatty! This is the sort of detail that I needed for 'how to do a bed bath'. I looked up the Care Topics just now, and still couldn't find it. Are there Youtube instructions for these things? Pictures and videos would be better. Could we get directions to them put on the site? It's basic, but not obvious if you have never had to do it. I'm not used to contacting Admin. Can you do it? How can we make it happen? Yours, Margaret
You can get a shower sling. The problem with using the regular full sling is it will get wet and they take a while to dry. If you have the split leg sling that might be a bit easier to get off him once you get him in the shower wheelchair. Is dad on Hospice? If so they will provide one. (as well as a CNA 2 or 3 times a week to shower him.) I used both the shower sling and the split leg sling for transferring my Husband but for showers I used the net type one. If you do get a split leg one that can be removed more easily once he is in the shower chair. (crisscross the leg strap parts less likely to squeeze the "beans and frank")
Burnt I have to disagree with you about getting a "full bed bath every day" as that is a bit overkill on someone who is bedridden. My late husband was completely bedridden the last 22 months of his life and the hospice aides came twice a week to give him a bed bath, which was plenty as he wasn't exerting himself in any way other than just lying there. And of course I cleaned him up real well after he was done pooping on the bedside commode, and used extra large body wipes if needed. But he certainly didn't need a bed bath every single day.
They make rinse free disposable clothes that all you have to do is moisten with a little warm water, they lather up and you can wash while the person is in bed and then pat dry with a towel.
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WHY would you consider such a thing?
I say this as an RN. You do not shower a bedridden person.
When my late husband was completely bedridden and under hospice care, the aides came twice a week to give him bed baths. But because part of his stint with hospice was during Covid, there were about 5 or 6 months when the aides were not allowed to come, and my son and I had to give him bed baths. It's really not difficult at all, as long as you have one person to help roll and hold the person on their side while the other washes them up.
Once you get the hang of it it doesn't take long at all.
I wish you well in getting things figured out for your father.
A bed bath is good enough and much safer for both the bedridden person and their carer.
Or just removing the net sling?
Shower procedure may go like;
. Undress on bed
. Roll to place Hoyer sling under *
. Hoyer lift to commode **
. Roll commode into shower ***
. Remove sling (if fabric - can keep in place if net shower type)
. Shower
. Cover person with towel to stay warm
. Roll commode back to bedside
. Lay towels on bed
. Hoyer lift onto bed
. Dry & redress on bed
. Roll to remove towels
* 2 x assist to Hoyer lifting, especially an adult, especially if frail
** Only if person can SIT safely in a commode without sliding out.
A tilted commode can be used IF safe.
*** Only works if a flat floor shower. Otherwise another Hoyer lift from commode onto a chair in the shower but this would need to be a truly giant shower space to allow that.
Remove a sling;
. Brakes on commode
. Lift 1st leg & remove strap
. Lift 2nd leg & remove strap
. Tilt torso to remove sling from behind back/under bottom.
This can be done by tilting person forward slightly but MUST stand in front to block risk of falling forward. Or tilt to each side if sling is caught under bottom.
Unless the person is quite mobile, that really is a 2 person job.
To replace sling, do in reverse.
If not done before I would NOT attempt solo. Have a trained Aide train you. Or even better, a qualified OT - to assess, problem solve & work.oit the safest way for Dad, you & any other carergivers.
The problem with using the regular full sling is it will get wet and they take a while to dry.
If you have the split leg sling that might be a bit easier to get off him once you get him in the shower wheelchair.
Is dad on Hospice? If so they will provide one. (as well as a CNA 2 or 3 times a week to shower him.)
I used both the shower sling and the split leg sling for transferring my Husband but for showers I used the net type one.
If you do get a split leg one that can be removed more easily once he is in the shower chair. (crisscross the leg strap parts less likely to squeeze the "beans and frank")
My late husband was completely bedridden the last 22 months of his life and the hospice aides came twice a week to give him a bed bath, which was plenty as he wasn't exerting himself in any way other than just lying there.
And of course I cleaned him up real well after he was done pooping on the bedside commode, and used extra large body wipes if needed.
But he certainly didn't need a bed bath every single day.
they work! I even used one in a pinch on day…
https://www.amazon.com/Scrubzz-Disposable-Rinse-Bathing-Wipes/dp/B06XQ9NQPQ
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