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Hello everyone. My father has been in assisted living for one year now and has been doing well. He is however showing a steady decline. He used to go swimming on a regular basis when he moved in now he doesn't. He stays in his room a lot more often, too. Overall, assisted living was the best situation for him. I can't believe I was so fearful.



I said I wouldn't talk about my family again but there was one incident that happened over Christmas and I would like some opinions. First, everything with my family has been fine, for the most part. The background is that I treated my two nephews very well while growing up. I was working so I only saw them on the major holidays and birthdays. I went all out on every birthday, with some very nice gifts. So they really don't know anything else about me other than that. I have been told they have always been well behaved and were excellent students. Here's what happened.



I go over to my brother's on Christmas day. At some point my one nephew, age 19, was sitting alone at the kitchen table. I sat next to him. He stares straight ahead and in a low volume unemotional tone says "Aunt Lisa is a loser." I couldn't believe he said that! I just sat there for a minute then my father called for me in the living room. I don't know what to make of this. I haven't been over to my brother's since nor have I seen my nephews. What do you make of this? Isn't that bizarre? Hurtful? I don't know what to feel. Has anyone else experienced something like this?

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It is April, almost 4 months since Christmas, why not let it go, in the overall scheme of life, it really doesn't matter. Move on from your brother and his family, this dynamic will never be right.
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Lisa,

Of course, your nephew was disrespectful.

No one is excusing his behavior and it would be nice if he apologized to you. He probably won’t.

Kids, especially teenagers have been disrespectful to adults from the beginning of time and sadly they will be until the end of time.

One day, your nephew will see consequences for his actions, and hopefully he will wake up and realize that it isn’t in his best interest to behave so rudely.

There are plenty of young adults who are polite. Appreciate them and disregard your nephew’s behavior.
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Children love to joke or kid around. Could it have been that your nephew was just joking or kidding when he said that to you and you were just overly sensitive to his comment? If it bothers you so much you should speak to your brother and let him speak to your nephew about his comment to you.
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lisatrevor Apr 11, 2024
No, it wasn't a joke. It was him showing me how he feels about me in his own screwed up way. It was done to go right to the heart, too. Bringing this up with my brother may very well cause a bad scene. He may deny that my nephew even said that and that I am crazy and am the problem.
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Leaving all the other issues out of this, to me this is a MANNERS issue! My DD at a young age could understand what was polite and what was being a brat!
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NeedHelpWithMom Apr 11, 2024
Pam,

That’s because you taught your children to have good manners.

Lisa’s family is quite dysfunctional. I don’t think manners are a priority for them. It’s sad.

I remember growing up in an era that if we would have been disrespectful to anyone on our street, the neighbors would have told our parents.

So, we would not have even considered being rude to an adult.
Now, it’s not that way. Kids don’t think twice anymore.

That being said, kids are not going to be perfect. They wouldn’t be kids if they didn’t try things. Hopefully, they will learn from their mistakes.
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I find it incredulous that the 19 year old nephew made that statement. IMHO it didn't happen or there was more to it than what was posted. If it had been said, I believe there would have been a post made about the confrontation in Dec, not months later. That is just from what I've seen from previous posts from Lisa.
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lisatrevor Apr 11, 2024
It's bizarre (and hurtful) to me but it's true. There was nothing more to add. I didn't post after it happened because I said I would no longer talk about my family issues. To sit there staring straight ahead and say that to me out of the blue is quiet novel I believe. Who acts that way? Has anyone ever experienced that? It was totally bizarre but true.
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@lisatrevor, re: the comment about how someone intellectually bright could be still be a horrible and hurtful person, the world is full of them - or at least the city that I live in is. Most of the ones I know personally had and continue to have enabling parents who let their "golden child" get away with being a mean person. Intellect doesn't automatically translate into emotional intelligence, unfortunately, at nineteen or at forty.
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lisatrevor Apr 11, 2024
I know that very well. The fact is that people who excel scholastically are given way more credibility and status than people who are not. I know that to be true because long ago I had some neighbors put me down for a long while but when they saw my name in the paper for a certain high achievement all of sudden they were so kind to me. I believe I was too genuinely nice of a person to not tell then to "screw off" or something like that. Instead I was like "Thank you.". Maybe I'm just not capable of being mean, like some others are.
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Lisa,

How many times do you have to have your hand put in the fire before you accept that it burns?

You, your brother, and his family should no longer be part of your life and you part of theirs. There's no love loss between you and your brother, or with his wife and kids.

They do not want you around, and you should have enough respect for yourself to stop ingratiating yourself into their lives. Find a life for yourself where you can be with people who actually want you around and who appreciate you.

As for your 19 year-old nephew. I too have a nephew that age. If he ever said such a thing around me, he'd get a slap across the face. The fact that your brother and SIL did nothing should be an indicator that they have no respect for you and don't want you around. Some people don't value family.

Move on, Lisa. Really, it's time for you to move on. Find a new family.
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lisatrevor Apr 11, 2024
I want to be near my father. He's in his 80's. I can visit him 365 days a year now where I live. This unfortunately means my brother and family and I have to interact from time to time. It's hurtful they way they treat me but it's bearable (and at times unbelievable).

I think many other people have a brain that allows for eliciting phycological pain in others. I do not. I'm very literally and polite but also very sensitive to being stepped on, so to speak and people get that. One thing that I noticed that at least makes me feel on top is that people who do these kinds of things typically get some kind of misfortune or then at some time see me in a great, enviable position. That has happened numerous times and some times happens very quickly.
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Ignore it the kid has issues . You May want to say something to the Parents Like " What is his deal he called me a Loser ? " They will Probably Blow you off.
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BurntCaregiver Apr 11, 2024
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I think the best response to that comment would have been "Happy Christmas to you too".
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BurntCaregiver Apr 11, 2024
I disagree, Margaret. The best response would be a two word phrase that starts with an 'F' and end with 'you'.
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Lisa,

You can’t expect a 19 year old to behave like a fully mature adult. He doesn’t have enough life experience. His brain isn’t even fully developed yet.

For all you know, he may end up being a responsible adult. I am not excusing his behavior but I certainly wouldn’t allow his remarks to consume my thoughts.

Nor would I throw gas on the fire trying to reason with him. You don’t have to defend yourself either because you know what kind of person you are. Say something if you want to get it off your chest and then drop it.

Don’t allow him or anyone else to steal your joy in life. Why should your blood pressure be raised over these incidents?

He’s not your kid. He’s your brother’s problem. Let his parents deal with his foolishness.

You have a long history of not getting along with you brother and sister in law. I’m sorry that your nephew is following in their footsteps.

I’m extremely fortunate that I have always had a great relationship with my nephews even when my brother and I disagreed.

My brother and I were able to resolve our differences and focus on the well being of our mom. My brother died and I am extremely grateful that we were able to see what was truly important in life.

I truly hope that your family can work things out. Every situation is different though and some relationships aren’t ever restored.

If your family relationships aren’t restored, all you can do is live your best life. You don’t have to allow a 19 year old, family or not, rob you of your joy in life. Don’t allow anyone to steal your joy.

Take care, Lisa. You’ll get through this.
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sp196902 Apr 11, 2024
A 19 year old certainly knows the difference between right and wrong and social cues - unless they have issues like autism, asperger's, retardation, etc. If this was the case no child should be allowed to join the military until the age of 26 and they also would not be able to get married or have children until that age too - nor enter into any type of contracts or even get a job where they are not fully supervised until their brains were fully developed and mature. Yet all across the country we have 18 - 25 year olds enlisting in the military, going to college, having babies, getting married, etc. Talk about insanity.....

The reality is that the brain not being fully developed until 25 is junk science and is simply a myth. It is not based in actual fact. A persons emotional intelligence (EQ) is the product of their upbringing. And unfortunately many have had low EQ parents which results in low EQ children who then become low EQ adults. It's the gift that keeps on giving generation after generation.

This kid may or may not be a little jerk off like his father. We are only hearing Lisa's side of the story - which may or may not be fully accurate as Lisa has her/his own cognitive issues that have caused many issues between herself/himself and the brother. All of which were caused by the father and his putting the brother on a pedestal and treating Lisa as less than.
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Really Lisa, are u really surprised after all you have been thru with brother. Don't you think brother and wife talk and the boys hear it. Me, I would not even show up for holidays if I was treated like ur. Next year refuse the invitation and tell the one who extends it what their son said to you. Tell that person that the only way he could have made that comment, is if he heard it from one of them. You are sorry that you just rub your family the wrong way but you have feelings too. And you are no longer going to subject yourself to these snarky comments. When Dad passes, please move back to where u were happy.
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Watching our loved ones slowly decline is painful and I’m sorry about your father. If I understand correctly, your brother has two sons. One was rude to you at Christmas and on another occasion the other one’s GF was rude to you. Your brother made a smirking comment that they know that the GF doesn’t like you. That, right there, tells you all you need to know. Your brother doesn’t respect you. He obviously speaks poorly of you in the presence of his wife, sons and the GF thereby encouraging their rude comments to you. Your brother doesn’t respect you and that will never change. Don’t waste your time and dignity saying anything to him about the rude behavior because it will only be denied or excused.
Please respect yourself enough to step away from them. Don’t spend holidays at their home. If they invite you, tell them you have other plans. Invite friends to your home or volunteer somewhere. Fill your life with people who do respect you. Family isn’t always a good place to be. First and always respect yourself.
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I feel like many people have forgotten what it is like to be 19. Of course, there is no excuse for being rude, but you are also the adult in this situation and your nephew is still figuring who he is in life.

If it happens again, just very calmly ask why he would say something like that. Often times teenagers say something they don’t mean out of frustration and regret it later. In the face of rudeness, choose peace.
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Anxietynacy Apr 11, 2024
Absolutely, 💯, 😁 exactly what I was thinking!

And what I was trying to explain when I was talking about my boys
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First, don't allow what a 19 y.o. who likely doesn't know how to wipe his behind properly has to say about you impact how you feel about yourself. He was just be snotty and provocative. When/if you ever see him again and you feel up to sparring with an unarmed man (boy), confront him and ask to elaborate. I give it 10-to-1 odds he just spit out his remard b/c he knew it would get your goat.
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Sorry your father is declining, this can be hard. So long as he continues to get the proper support he should be ok.

As far as your nephew, I feel like sometimes kids make assumptions based on things they hear adults in their household say. Wouldn't be surprised if others are saying things that aren't true and they are feeding the kids these things. Regardless, don't play into it. Keep it moving. Best of luck.
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Lisatrevor if there is a “next time” from that baby turd I hope you do like my Italian Mom and Aunties and backhand him right in the mouth. Or at least throw your drink in his face.

During my son’s wild years (18+) when he would speak to me like that I’d remind him that if he said that kind of stuff to someone else they might punch his lights out — and he’d deserve it.

Every choice in life has consequences.
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BurntCaregiver Apr 11, 2024
He'd get the backhand from me and no mistake. I'm Sicilian. We know how to make that slap count because we're always wearing rings LOL
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You don't know what to make of an ugly, disrespectful and obvious remark your nephew said to you? Why not?

What I would have done is stood up right in his face and said EXACTLY WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM THAT YOU FEEL ENTITLED TO SAY SUCH A DISRESPECTFUL THING TO ME AS YOUR AUNT? I'd have made him expand on such a foul remark and we'd have had it out, right then and there.

Stand up to the LOSERS in your family who feel justified in saying anything they want to you. Then rid yourself of ALL OF THEM, once & for all, so you can choose stop being a punching bag for disgraceful people.

They don't have to like you, and you don't have to put up with their chit anymore, then come here and ask, "what would you do?"
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lisatrevor Apr 10, 2024
I hear you! I think I would have done something like that but I was shocked. I'm still shocked. I'm glad you said that. Maybe next time will call them out.
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It is not uncommon for elders to start to socialize less as they decline .
My mother did the same thing in AL when she started to not feel well all the time her last few months until she died .

Stop going to visit your other family .
Become busy with other things and unavailable to visit them .
It did me a world of good . Try it .
And yes , I miss having more family in my life , but it was even more hurtful to spend time with them . I don’t miss those who were horrible . Seek to make more friends .
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Didn’t this 19 yo’s gf insult you in public the time before this?
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lisatrevor Apr 10, 2024
That was with my other nephews girlfriend. Actually, I don't know if anyone heard what she said, so maybe it was not in "public". It was the very first time I met her and I was so welcoming and she just blurts out something so rude. It's beyond comprehension. Her name came up recently when I was visiting my father and my brother and wife were there. They both looked down and had this guilty grin on their faces that said "We know she doesn't like you. ha ha. But we are decent people and kind of don't condone that behavior". It's really sick.
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I read your first paragraph, Lisa. I would say that your father is aging. It is likely as simple as that.

I skimmed the other paragraphs which seem to be the usual complaints about family. We all have our family issues. I doubt strangers can be of a whole lot of help unless trained in psychology and treating you.

Good to hear from you again.
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Lisa, without knowing more about your nephews , it's impossible to comment. But as a mom with 4 boys, I'm wondering, is he maybe Nero divergent . Maybe a joke, when you get my boys in the same room , you will never know what jokes or embarrassments they are going to do. But it doesn't sound like you know them enough. My guts would be it was some secret joke they where playing. They know each other so well they don't even have to talk about it. I see them give each other a look and I know something is up.

I could write a book on the stuff my boys have done.
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Instead of walking away, I have started asking for specifics.

Try saying something like “I have wonderful friends, an interesting education and satisfying career. What aspects of my life make me a loser?”

Wait. No answer? “Hmm... that’s what I thought.” Then walk away.

In my opinion, people get away with saying far too many lies and rude comments, without being held accountable.
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Lisa, I have an assignment for you. Start building a family of friends that you like and trust. First: A sister. Concentrate on building a best friendship with a woman. Someone who is a confidante. Who likes to do things you do. How to: Call someone and become interested in her hobbies. Invite her to participate in something you like, such as a morning walk. Invite her to lunch afterward, your house or a coffee shop. Find things in common. Do this for six months or so and then report back about how the friendship is going. Next step: A mom and/or aunt. More on that later.
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lisatrevor Apr 10, 2024
I have been speaking on the phone from time to time with a friend from my old neighborhood. They live 1000 miles away and work long hours so it will never be a close relationship, at least for years to come. The good thing is that they know me, my history and my family. They have their own take on my situation and said something like "That's they way they are. You don't choose your family". They have very good family relations so they don't know exactly how I feel. It's been therapeutic speaking with them. They offer positive outlooks that build me up rather than break me down. It has really helped.
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Lisa,

Please know that I am not trying to be rude in any way.

I think most people realize that everyone in this world doesn’t have to like us. Do you realize this?

I am fine knowing that some people will like me and others won’t. I don’t need everyone to like me, whether they are family or not.

Does it really matter what this kid thinks of you? His brain isn’t even fully developed yet. You don’t need his approval.

Why are you focusing on what you did for your family years ago?

Yesterday is over. Live in the present. You’re young, don’t waste your time and energy on all of this stuff.

No one has a perfect family. So don’t expect your family to be the exception.

I am glad that your dad is doing well. Take care.
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lisatrevor Apr 10, 2024
Thank you. I do feel better now.
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